haha, is that how you reply to things you object? If you threaten me with a ban for my ideas, which are supported by many studies and scientists then you are simply a weaker minded person who can not rise up to an intellectual challenge. Not to mention the ideas I am expressing have inspired countless PUA's which are too famous for me to mention. The "Alpha male" concept used by Mystery ,and now, every PUA comes from The Red Queen.

Right now I am a little concerned by your attitude which shows no productivity, no real criticism, but a few nasty words and a threat. You are weak sauce.

Chill bud, he's joking. Don't take things so seriously, we're really friendly an open board. If you look, you can see that he's only a regular member, not a mod and so he was just bustin your balls.

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What I was referring to, was your comment here:
I also didn't say that women were interested in emotional connection first, or only, which is how it sounded by the way you phrased:
I think you make some good points and have good ideas, but many of your concepts seem to be disconnected and not interlinked, so much of what you say isn't entirely cohesive. That's my constructive criticism like you were asking for.

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On the contrary, In most human cultures through time, polygamy is practised by both female and male. It depends solely on the aspects of the group and environment. Humans are not built to reproduce like most other animals. The reproductive process adapts with humans depending on which method will ensure survival of the group.

That's exactly what Jared Diamon said in Why is Sex Fun?. We have taken on different mating styles based upon our societies, much like various species of monkeys, apes and gorillas, which are our closest ancestors.

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I just want to pop in and say you have to be careful on how you equate those theories with the basics of sexual reproduction. Humans on a relative time scale have not existed that long in reality. So Arnold does have a point where he brings up why females are more monogamous and why males are more promiscuous; due to BILLIONS of years of evolution in terms of why we are sexually programmed they way we are. But it is of course completely debatable.

I see what you are saying, but it is a misunderstanding. From my impression our conversation has been simple, if you would like we can go into more detail.
I fully realize that women seek more in men than just an emotional connection, what I was trying to imply by point #2 is that women for the most part are interested in an emotional connection, atleast when they first meet a male. Men, judge by her looks, for the first time. As things progress and the opening impression is establish both male and female will look for other things in each other.

Once against I'm not saying that women seek an emotional connection as an end, but rather as a means to an end. They have a little switch triggered inside of them when they see a man with a good poise, self assured, funny etc... which as a consequence attracts women emotionally to that man.

Thank you for clarifying the other guy's post, I'm new here and not used to the community yet. I took his post as an AMOG indicator.

I look forward to making friends on here. And I enjoy discussions of this sort where we can talk about things so openly.

Well actually you just proved our point. We've only been alive as a species for a short span of time. It is OUR culture that has decided monogamy is normal. Monkeys, apes and gorillas have been around for much much much longer than homosapiens and when you include homohabilus, homoerectus, neanderthals, etc then you see that various sexual relation systems have existed far longer. There are many species out of those groups, that have females that take multiple male parterns, where males only take the one female partner and so the women are running the harems, not the men. There are also a lot of monogomous for life species and species where both sexes are polygamous.

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This is how I think: humans where monogamous before the invention of agriculture. It was a burden for a hunter gatherer to keep more than 2 or three women as his companions. He would have to feed them and his children times three if he had three wives, rather than if he had one wife, but that only meant he was a good hunter and could afford to feed the women, who probably agreed to mate/live with him without being forced to. Women saw that he could provide for them. Then agriculture came and the concept of politics (power) was introduced. Why should a man hunt, having to move and seek out his prey all the time, when he can simply stay in one place and have a constant food supply from his farm? Farming produced a lot of food at a relatively cheaper energy cost than hunting, men who farmed could afford harems, somewhere down the road city states formed and the primitive idea of divine right came into play. (Keep in mind this is a simple explanation I use to save my time and to keep it readable). With the evolution of Christianity harems became forbidden and so it became a sin to mate with multiple women at once. Reason to why harems (for the most part) are nonexistent today is because man is not necessarily monogamous or polygamous, but rather adaptive to environment and women prefer not to share their husband for reasons I explained in my previous post.

So I would take it that you would want a virgin? Which will be pretty hard to find seeing that most girls would already have sex by the age of 18 with at least one guy if not more. I know this your opinion/view but I am curious as to why you think it is wrong for a woman to get off with any man?
I would agree with this, but this is no longer the case. The number of single moms have sky rocketed over the past couple of years. So even tho a woman may want a guy to be emotionally loyal to them, they don't need the man to be finically loyal to them. They can want him to be by the way of child support. But the pay gap between women and man is getting smaller. I believe right now women make 80 cents to every dollar a man makes. Not that shabby I say compare to how bad it use to be.
I don't think their over goal is to feel that they are important. But to feel wanted by men.
So your saying that all women cheat while in relationships? I kinda find that hard to believe. But assuming that this is true then why even get into a a relationship then if the woman is going to cheat on her mate? The way I am seeing this is why spend the time, money and energy on the relationship only to have the woman cheat on me? Also why do some women go back to the guy they cheated on instead of leaving him for the new guy, if the new guy was more dominate than the woman's mate?
Nature also keeps things in an ever envolving state. And to say that men are always the seducers is a bit false seeing how long prostitution as been around, as women would have to seduce men to get them to pay right? But I would also say that more and more women are seducing men more, as the sexes become more equal and people become more sexually open.
I don't think so. But if there is one then I never run across it. I know there are relationship forums but they are unisex tho.

A book was pubished a long time ago entitled the rules. It was kinda like mystery method for chix. Now, they have things like cosmo girl etc. to improve their teasing skillz.

And remember men make groups to function well. Women organise groups simply because of segragation. If women had such a thing as a pua thay wouldnt be able to be as organised as we are

To Jurupa:
1.) If I am looking for a relationship or a wife then I would prefer a virgin twin over her twin sister who had sex with 20 other guys, so would most the guys I know. I think a woman can do as she wishes, but my opinion of women who are easy to have sex with is not so high.

2.) That's the whole point, single moms are those who failed to keep their man attracted to them while rearing the child, and they also failed to select the right mate who would help rear their babies. My assertion was that WOMEN try to select loyal mates, just because a man left her doesn't make my argument wrong, it in fact confirms my other argument that men are polygamous.

3.) Feeling wanted by men makes women feel important, their nature is to be wanted by men, but they don’t have to have sex with every man they find attractive to achieve this feeling. Think of it this way: when your friends don't call for a day, you don't feel wanted. Next day you get 3 text messages inviting you to 3 different parties all of a sudden you feel important because you are wanted.

4.) Read the quote again, I didn't say ALL women. But women in general will cheat on their husbands with men who they feel are more dominant (women are programmed by their genes to think that these men have better genes, therefore if they have sex with someone they see as more successful than their husband they could potentially cuckold a child from the dominant man, and still have the husband rear her child).

There was a study done in a Liverpool apartment block where more than 1 out 5 children born between couples was from the woman's lover and not her boyfriend/husband.

You think she will tell you that she cheated on you? Why would she do that? She risks negative consequences, one of which is getting dumped and having to raise the child all alone. HER genes programmed her to cheat on the man; the man's genes can't stop her lol. Some of your questions I find too obvious to answer, why are you acting so surprised that women cheat on men? They don't go to the new guy because new dominant guy might have a family, gf, or he was simply looking to get laid. Sometimes they do go to the new guy.

5.) "Nature also keeps things in an ever envolving state", okay name one thing besides slight increase in brain size over the past 20,000 years that has evolved, not due to nutrition?

6.) Prostitution is not really seduction; a prostitute’s primary motive is to earn money. Prostitution is a paradox, there are gay men out there, how can we claim that men love women if some men love men. There are just exceptions that can probably be explained by some human scientist, but I'm not even out of college yet, so you might write Matt Ridley a letter regarding prostitutes

"Sexes become more equal and people become more sexually open" This is an illusion pushed forward by feminists, there are in fact differences between men and women. When ever women gain, men lose keep that in mind, my friend. Men are better at spacious tasks and mathematics, men are also more aggressive. Women are better at communication and detecting differences and are more emotionally involved (there are many exceptions, but I’m speaking in general terms).With the rise of activism during early 20th century this concept has been gaining steady ground in western civilizations. Answer this question: name me at least one tribe where women are the primary sex to go to wars or head a tribe, or where women are polygamous and hold harems of men (with the exception of certain Tibetan people), there are obviously differences between men and women and studies of primitive tribes living in today's world have shown that tribal men who hold power and have access to vast food supply such as a herd of cows are polygamous.

Yes thank you! First post on the topic lol. And I already have that book

Seriously Arnold, go read some anthropology. You're coming up with theories that contradict all sorts of accepted concepts.

Sure some guys were monogomous because they couldn't provide for more than 1 mate, but then others had a bunch of mates. Just as in some cultures women had many male mates as well. These are highly accepted concepts and you are arguing against the entire scientific community.

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Fair enough.
I see what your saying. But what if the woman leaves the man? As majority of divorces are initiated by the woman and not by the man.
I think we are saying the same thing but in different ways.
I did read your quote it did seem that you hinted all and not in general. As you first say they won't fuck other guys but right after that you say they will fuck other guys so I took it that you meant all.
I am not surprise that women will cheat on their mates. I seen that one to many times to count. Yes some of my question may have an to obvious of an answer and a couple where rhetorical questions. Even tho the man the woman cheated with may be in some short of relationship, wouldn't the woman try to make the man loyal to her? As that is what she is "programed" for right?
Social acceptance to things. An example of this are some people in the US accepting gays openly. As well as disease resistance. There where a couple of female African prostitutes that where resistance to AIDs as long as they got a "dose" of it from their clients. Another one is the appendix, it certainly served some purpose for the human body but today it has yet to shown what it was used for. I would mention height as we no longer to the work of cave men, but height is influence by nutrition and genes so it not that clear of an example.

I agree that prostitution is not seduction in the true sense of the word. But for a prostitute to make money they have to be able to seduce their clients or else they make no money. Sex is used heavily in ads as it sells and works wonders on guys and somewhat on women.
What have men lost that women have gained? I agree with the general basics that separate men and women. But as far as the "illusion" sentence "Sexes become more equal and people become more sexually open" goes I think a world example is of use. Take a look at Europe. A lot of beaches are at least topless and women seem to be able to get a lot of the same jobs men get over there. Head to the Middle East and its the total opposite. In some of the countries women are second class and are not even remotely equal to men. You can't even express your sexuality in the open.