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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 7:59 pm 
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Great stuff Johnny! I'm glad you bumped this topic up, cause that's definitely worth a read.

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I chose the PuA path mainly to help me overcome my anxiety from speaking to or approaching women.

If it was not for the PuA path, I would still be a virgin....

Some may call me shallow minded for wanting to date only HB9/10's, but I am sure every one of us deep down wants a HB9/10!

I personally would never cheat on a girl, and even where I am now, I am seeking to find the "right girl" to have as a girlfriend and not cheat on her.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 3:19 am 
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Some may call me shallow minded for wanting to date only HB9/10's, but I am sure every one of us deep down wants a HB9/10!
Considering you live in London, where the technical word used to describe a truly hot woman is "tourist", I can appreciate your plight! ;)

Seriously, though - nobody can ever escape the quest for external validation (which holds virtually EVERYBODY down, until/unless they liberate themselves!) until they get past the notion of RATING WOMEN.

I wrote a fairly powerful piece on this some time ago, which REALLY sums up my take on the 'counter inner-game' practice of assigning 'HB' values etc.
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The NATURAL Alternative to 'Rating Women'


This is basically something I presented at the Cliff's List Convention in '06 which seemed to have had the desired effect - Please take into account that this does not address 'calibration' or other methodical and procedural justifications for established rating schemes.

I believe this is the NORMAL, NATURAL, and AUTOMATIC 'attractiveness' scale which is used in all first-world societies, regardless of gender/sexual preference.

I believe that fundamentally, the TRUE rating-system which normal men and women both use is a four level scale, from zero-to-three.

0 - I WOULDN'T fcuk 'em.
1 - I COULD fcuk 'em...
2 - I'D LIKE to fcuk 'em!
3 - They wouldn't fcuk me.


This is very elegant in that it requires no external guidelines for definition, needn't be vocalized, and is, of course, completely subjective. In fact, it's pretty-much ingrained into everyone from birth.

HOWEVER, once you reach a certain-level of experience in The Game, and have TRULY established yourself as a Worthy Playboy, you realize that there is NO SUCH THING as a category of people who are unattainable. Oh, there are specific individuals who won't hook up with you, but they might come from the 0 category as readily as the 3's.

So at that point we can, and will, entirely drop the notion of 3's - WHOOMP! Gone.

Now there are only three levels...

Much easier!

Of course, by the time you've reached THAT level, you've also eliminated all memory of 'sexual desperation'... - It's so far in your past, you can't even imagine being hard-up for sexual company, or needing to settle for something less than delightful. In fact, you'd much rather sleep alone that go to bed with someone you're not attracted to....

SO we can entirely eliminate the notion of 1's, and there there were two.

VERY simple now, with only two options: YES or NO...

NO - I WOULDN'T fcuk 'em
YES - I'D LIKE to fcuk 'em

NOW - sometimes a perfect YES will instant drop to an absolute NO within seconds of meeting them...

For example:
Across the room, this girl is STUNNING, dressed to kill, perfect lips, great body, bedroom eyes... and you make your approach, and she enthusiastically responds with:
"I'm SO glad you're here, all night long nothing but fcukin' [severly offensive racial slur here] bastards have been hitting on me all night! Like I'd EVEN TALK TO THEM!"

And (for most of us anyway, I should hope) she immediately throws the switch, drops to a ZERO and we recoil. Damn shame... but instead of thinking "Wow, that was an HB9.5! I can be a hypocrite and compromise myself for a 9.5!" you see her for what she TRULY is - a zero. NEXT!

There are a limitless number of things which can cause a YES to become a NO - sometime immediately obvious, sometimes insidious, but IF the rating changes, it's time to walk away!

That said, there's also often something which justifies a transition from a NO to a YES! - Because as mature Players, you no-longer need to be bothered with the concept of WHAT OTHER PEOPLE THINK of your playmates... You go to bed with people who turn you on & make you happy and proud to be with them, not because other guys will envy you.

The Essence of a Worthy Playboy denies the need for external validation. It is pivitol to establishing the "Worthiness" that they have fully-developed Inner-Game (ie, A Satisfied Sense-of-Self).

Maybe the person in question has changed externally - lost weight, had cosmetic surgery, spend months in the gym, whatever... maybe the person has change internally, recanted from her previous psychotic or otherwise unattractive mindset, and become someone you can enjoy... or maybe YOU have changed and you've become more interested in her and her bodyshape matters less than it did before... but IF that switch changes, GO FOR IT.

No one else has ANYTHING to say about whether the object of your affections is 'hot enough' for you...

Q: "Why are fat chicks like Mopeds?"
A: "Because they're fun to ride on as long as nobody you know sees you!"

Now, at THIS level of The Game, you'd NEVER worry about how you'd look in others' eyes - you just do what makes sense and feels right TO YOU - no regrets!

It's YOUR LIFE, and YOUR HAPPINESS, and if you're too weak to follow-up a YES because other people might decide she's a NO, you're an idiot. Right?

...And NO Worthy Playboy would EVER look down his nose at someone who's HAPPY - 'cuz nothing else matters:

THEY'RE WINNING THE GAME IF THEY ARE HAPPY!

Now, I'd like to remind you all, I'm NOT suggesting that you start dating women who don't turn you on - not by any means. There's no happiness in THAT at all.

What I'm ACTUALLY saying is that there's ACTUALLY a very distinct division between someone you wouldn't go to bed with, and someone you'd like to go to bed with, and ONLY YOU can decide on which side any particular person exists.

Good Luck! And may you find endless happiness with many subjectively-beautiful playmates!
Johnny Soporno
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P.S. Here's a little YouTube clip of my friend Steve P and myself addressing a lair group about the subject...
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDujTDXN0Ng[/youtube]


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I think the 3 categories you talk about in that video, are much like the traffic light rating scale I came across a while back on here and use subsonsciously. Red = wouldn't, Yellow = could, Green = want to. I still find it's helpful for me to keep the "yellow", because I end up sometimes taking those girls and turning them into greens after discovering their personality better, or sometimes they become reds. That really just boils down to semantics though.

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One of the biggest things imo that isnt embedded into peoples heads when they first come across PUA is probably one of the most important ideas to me, my game and just in life generally.

LEAVE THEM BETTER THAN YOU FOUND THEM

This is so important to my everyday life now, and is also my basis for all those morally shakey PU things (BF destroyers for example).

I will use BF destroyers as an example. Yes i have started to use them, but cafefully. If i pick up that girl, will she be better off because of it?
Firstly, is breaking up a long term relationship for what i can admitte will likly be a couple of fun evenings fair to her or the guy?
Is she happy in the relationship?
etc etc....

It all comes back to leaving her better than you found her.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 2:50 am 
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Before I knew about the community, I used to "go out" with my best friend to "look for" girls. We'd go to clubs, pubs and book-stores coz we'd always found girls there "easier to talk to". With no idea WTF we were doing, we got around and met and scored interesting women. Some of them ended up being LTR situations.

Ever since I joined the community, I’ve become more aware of the underlying subplots that make me better at social interaction and engagement with people from different backgrounds. I’ve opened so many people using PUA skills to network for my company, get laid and make great friends from all over this big round rock we live on.

I doubt PUA is being manipulated to the extent Kino would like us to believe. Rather, it stems from failure to f or #-close that we see the community degenerating into a headless fuckfest if/when one does hit a hot streak.

Good luck with the theories, i have a healthy social and sex life.


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