So I've been thinking a lot about LJBF. And I think there has to be some way around it. We just haven't thought of it yet. Anyway, my idea is that if you go all AFC on her. Tell her that you really care about her and everything. And then one day you just say okay I don't want you like that anymore. And you make it clear that's how you feel.

Could this get her thinking "why doesn't he want me anymore? Did I do something wrong?" and them from there you just game as usual. Perhaps a little slower to she doesn't realize? Just a thought.

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Men fall in love with their eyes. Women fall in love with their ears.

Usually when a girl LJBF's you it means you havent done something right in your game. Never turn AFC on a girl just to try to manipulate her attraction chances are it wouldn't work. Best way to turn around her LJBF you is to show your pre-selected and hang around and successfully game other girls around her.

Saying how much you care about her yaddayaddayadda won't help you out of the friend zone at all. You weren't direct enough in your approach or she's just not into you. Try to get out of it if you want by building attraction, not comfort if you want.

Basically you didn't build enough attraction before comfort. You'd best just go for someone else.

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If my post made me appear homosexual, I want you all to know that prior to sitting down at my computer I slammed 15 shots of whiskey, went balls-deep into my woman, and recited Clint Eastwood lines for 20 minutes.

I agree. One reason she went LJBF on you might be because you were being too Afc toward her in the first place without realizing it. Trying to go overly Afc now will just cement her idea of you two being just friends. And a freeze out, like you suggested, can't get you out of the friend zone either.

I agree with everyone else but I can also see where you are coming from, trying to ninja her brain into thinking "wtf did i do"

you'll never know till you try i think i might go give it a shot

Going AFC on a girl who has put you in the LJBF zone will scare her I think. I have had guys do this and though sometimes I did not know they felt like that...it did not change the fact that I did not share the same feelings. It made me put up a wall because I knew how he truly felt and it made me feel awkward that I did not feel the same.

The way I see it being an AFC will only help to keep you in the friends zone permanantly.

My suggestion is that you either decide she isn't worth it and tell her you have enough friends or if she's decent enough take her out and use her as social proof to pick up other women. This may work out in your favor for the reverse because these other HB's are going to be your social proof to her.

The general consensus here seems to be that going AFC here will only make things worse than they already are but Hopeless Romantic does raise a very good point; given the amount of knowledge that students and teachers of pick-up have amassed regarding human (particularly female) psychology in the field of interpersonal and sexual attraction, and some of the other, previously-seen-to-be-insurmountable obstacles they've managed to overcome, it's very surprising that no one has discovered a more or less foolproof way out of the LJBF zone. There has to be a way to turn around this kind of relationship and make her attracted to you as easily as a good pua can make a random girl he's just met attracted to him. Most of the advice given, though, is usually pretty hit-and-miss; just give up, it's too far gone, game other girls and hope for the best as she sees you're preselected.

If I understand AFC Adam's analysis of attraction correctly then the way out of the LJBF zone would be a fairly strong rapport break. It's very risky though, too strong a break could lose you a friend, too weak a break could put her on the defensive without sufficiently breaking the rapport. To the best of my knowledge, no other PUA has developed much on breaking out of the friend zone but the answer has to be there somewhere.