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You probably don't know any because you meet more modern PUAs. However, have you watched Mystery or any of his people in field lately? Notice its the same stuff from The Game?
No and no. I'm not talking about YouTube clips, I'm talking about actual pickup artists I hang out with and meet in field (London is sucky that way). Take my definition of 'canned' - 'your standard response to a recurring situation'. All the pickup artist does while getting a larger arsenal of 'canned' material is widening the array of situations he deals with comfortably and effortlessly. 'Would you like to kiss me?' is a canned line. 'Hi' is a canned line. If you're telling me that using those two in a set makes me disingenuous and therefore all my relationships from here on in will fail miserably, I'm confused to say the least.
'Its not lying is flirting' has taken on some new meaning other than something along the lines of 'chill the fuck out, tell her she's a spoiled brat! I dont care if she isnt, just do it!'? I wasn't aware of it. Nobody notified me, I didn't even receive a postcard.
The point is, flirting will seem to a lot of guys like a different friggin' language. So I've been born socially retarded and never really grasped the concepts of 'flirting', but this does not mean I'm not gonna try because 'Im not being genuine' or 'its not me'. I've learned to flirt, it's become a part of my personality, leave 'trying new stuff' alone.
Of fucking course PUAs don't convey what they think
at all times. This argument is beginning to border on the absurd, so I'll highlight the important bits of each sentence. I don't tell a girl I find her sexually attractive in the Attraction phase (though it is true and exactly what I'm feeling), I don't tell a girl I haven't had sex with that I'm thinking about her. I also don't mean it when I say 'I hate you' with a gleeful smile on my face, neither does she but ITS FUN, we both enjoy it and I end up getting laid. Point out the harm in here. There again, this is my own interpretation of 'its not lying, its flirting' which obviously differs from yours.
I'm not gonna start discussing what I consider a natural. Normally I'd just presume the guy's at least above average looking, gets average girls from his oversized social circle and is probably very, very good in bed and gets heavy advertising on that basis. But with you, I'll withhold judgement and request some actual evidence like an interview with the lucky chap.
Nowhere did I say that I never tried letting go of my routines, I just said that when I did, my results were far more inconsistent and frankly a lot WORSE. Yes, I have gone natural and tried really hard to keep my amazing stories to myself, and I felt like digging a hole with my hands with a perfectly good shovel at hand. I've been scratching my head until I heard AFC Adam of PUAtraining (one of the main proponents of the natural organic biodegradable... ok this joke's getting stale) say that everyone uses routines. The clever and successful PUAs use THEIR OWN routines, and not the pre-packaged shite Rye mentioned, but it's dirty, dirty relationship-ruining, canned, memorized, stock material anyway.
The point where I went 'WTF?' and decided to chip in was where Stetson advocated getting successful with routines and then avoiding them like an STI. In other words, build yourself a beautiful house with a garden and a fireplace, then blow it to kingdom come and start from scratch again. There's a part of the plan I agree with, but the logical progression loses me by step 2. To quote trippinT, 'if it aint broke, dont fix it'
But, before you start nit-picking the weak spots in this mediocre post, Hobbit (I presume you agreed with most of the stuff you didn't quote
), I just wanna get inside your head for a sec.
Are you saying that if somebody uses 'canned' material as defined above, they are not being genuine (I'm gonna punch myself in the face every time I use that term) and therefore their relationships will fail on that basis?
CHAT
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