Hey dudes. I'm gonna summarize a pickup story gone wrong tonight:

I went to my buddy's hometown with him to wing for him with this HB he met a few months back. We met up with her and her roomate. She wasn't as hot as I'd expected. I'd honestly rate her a 5 at best. Her roomate at first didn't look good at all. I thought she was a 5 also. But she took a shower and cleaned up a bit. It definately helped her out. She became a 6.5-7.0

Regardless I wasn't at all intimidated by these women and I knew that i was in a position of power and value based on the kind of women i usually game. I talked to my buddy a while in private and menitoned that i wouldnt mind hooking up with the HB7.

I did everything right - or so i thought. I was really confident, I negged just at the right moments and I even used kino when appropriate. I've been doing this with HBs in college for the past 6 weeks and its been working like a charm!

The buddy i was winging for is new to the game. The whole way over to his house (3 hours) he was asking my advice on game related stuff. He looked up to me quite a bit on this stuff. I thought tonight would be my chance to demonstrate my skills to him. He was doing great. I was pretty impressed. Earlier in the night we had gone to a coffee place and i gamed the girl working there pretty well so i was definately in the right frame.

The first hour or so went pretty well. I felt like the 2 targets were feeling me - even though i wasn't that interested. After that we went to the beach to start a bon fire and light some fireworks. I got a little frustrated that we couldnt start a fire and i didn't understand why the hb7 was going for my buddy not me! after hanging there for a while i really felt like both the targets were ignoring me.

Later we went back to thier house. we sat down. me, hb5, buddy, hb7. I purposely sat by the 5 to make the 7 jealous. These chicks completely shut me out!!! Thier bodies were turned away from me and toward my buddy. It didn't make any sense. I was doing everything right. I was doing everything that's worked for me with hotter women and these women that i was only marginally interestd in were shutting me out. It totally made me look bad. What made me even more upset was that my buddy that's a relative rookie was doing so well. I couldn't even say they were bitches. They were feeling him really well.

This totally shook my foundation and confidence in my game theory and in myself. I've been number closing HBs left and right and now when it comes down to it a couple low profile nothings have completely robbed me of my power. What's going on??

How do i recover from this??

Does anyone have any similar stories?

I've never been so demoralized. I thought my game was solid!

CPT

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You should look at the positives of this experience, yes they shut you out and yes your game isnt as solid as you thought it was... But that just tells you that no matter how good you are it just doesnt work with some girls.

But i think you shouldnt let this get you down because remember, they already knew your friend, he has already had the chance to get his personality out and express that to them. Where as with you they dont know you and your a stranger, so dont take the fact that they werent into you personally. Its like any girl in a club, if they turn you away they arnt turning you away as a person because they dont know you to not like you. They are turning you down as a guy because they are in shield mode.

The best way for you to get around this "rejection" in my opinion is for you to get out and carry on what you were doing before, game some college girls, waitresses, dogs if your into that just go out and move on! If every great person in this world stopped at the first big hurdle then we would be stuck in the stone age.

But maybe you were just trying to impress your friend too much, it happens!

At the end of the day it was there loss! So move on Captain and get some ladies

Orthodox

I suspect one of them has read the Game, and possibly noticed that you were applying something familiar

The most probable thing is that your buddy is a very bad wing. If they shut you out and he, being the center of attention, didn't bring you back in I would say it was mostly his fault.

Did you ever try to converse with him after they shut you out?
How did he respond? Did he pay you attention to try and bring you back in or not?

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I'm not to sure what happened here. What i have gathered from experience, is that game works better on hot girls. And girls that range from HB5 - HB7 don't take the neg's very well, and they can get indimidated and think you are to cool. Or they just think your an asshole.

You seem to have played the night out well, but sometimes bitches just dig other dudes.

I agree with sweetcool, HB's 5-7 are generally too insecure about themselves in the first place to be able to laugh off negs.

Your friend could have done you a favour and got you involved in the conversations again, he was just greedy

Orthodox

sometimes I get it too.... like, I was doing everything perfectly, the girl/girls were responding just great(obviously attracted and confortable) but all of a sudden its like everything was lost, and I really can't figure what happened

one theory Im having in my mind is that maybe when your frame's SO MUCH better than the girl you're gaming this may happen, I dont know, the girl end up don't identifying her in you, perceive you as not their kind, even tho they felt attracted...like the confidence discrepancy may get you both farther

what do you guys think, could this be possible?

this shit recently happened twice, both the girls were skinny-but-beautiful ones, more of the alternative kind...like 7,5 with a charm

LOL... ok... this shit aint fool proof.

From what it sounds like to me is that you are putting too much emphasis on gaming and not really relaxing and just enjoying the company of two women. In other words, you were trying too hard. They also could have been turned off by the attitude you had towards the bon fire issue. Women can sense emotions and read your mannerisms really well. You may not even feel like you are displaying your emotions, but the women are really sensing your energy. If you had too negative of an energy, that could have turned them off easily.

Let me ask you these question.

Did you isolate your target at any point during the night?
Did you break rapport?
Since your buddy knew which one you were into, did he amog you on accident/purpose?
Was that his original target?
Why are you so concerned with his game and not your own?
What did you do to DHV?
It sounds like your friend's DHV was greater than yours.

I get the sense that you are living too much in your head, instead of in the moment.

One other thing... Numbers closes are not that big of a deal. To quote the great White Rose: "Numbers are built on comfort, not attraction." Are you attracting these women you are getting numbers from? Numbers are fine and dandy, but what have you done to back them up?

CK

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lots of good responses here....

in the end, I don't think your buddy was trying to or was aware of you being somewhat excluded. I bet he was distracted by the success he was having. You even said he was new...so, as he gains more skills, he'll know to pull you back in.

Guys,

Thanks for all the replies. I think it might well be possible that my frame might've started out too strong. It is completely concievable that an HB 5-7 might not know how to take negs. I think it could possibly have worked better on hotter chicks (i hope so anyway!)

1) No. I tried but she just didn't seem to have any interest in isolation.I suggested for the target to come hang by the water with me (when we were all outside anyway) - no such luck.

2)Yes. I broke rapport a few times but most blatantly when we were sitting there working on a flame. I was sitting on the sand. I reached over and kinda hit her in the shin playfully with an open hand. She did not respond in any way or form. I couldn't believe it. No giggle, no laugh, no "Hey!". It was as if i didn't exist!!

3)No, he didn't AMOG me at all. Other than not helping when he saw they were shutting me out - no AMOG

4) We had separate opposite targets and both of them ended up into him

5) I'm not so concerned about his game. I am more concerned that I am more experienced and my game didn't work.

6)I was asked about what i'm going to school for and talked about medical school (confidently) I also talked about the economy with these HBs. Niether of them had a clue about either science or economics - so i guess i didn't oficially DHV outside of just carrying myself with confidence. Plus from the first 10 minutes they were hanging with us it was one long DLV on thier behalf - they talked about how they got caught drunk driving and about how they drove thier car into a creek and flooded the engine (wtf??)

7) My friend DHVd by talking about people they knew and how they were doing (he had hung out with these girls once before but i hadn't)


CPT

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Again, this is just my perception. It seems that you tried too hard. After you tried to be playful, I believe your best play would have been to just go cold. Freeze her out and no longer pay any attention to her. Let your friend know your game, and start paying more attention to his target. Let your wing know whats up. When your target talks, you talk over her. Mimic all of her movements, just dont mock her.

Possibly tell a DHV story about how you and your wing saved a kitten from a tree while you were rescuing orphans out of a burning school bus stuck on the railroad tracks as a freight train was barreling down the tracks. Just make it as goofy and outlandish as possible. When you target pipes up, playfully neg her. Not too harsh.

CK

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Eh, she wasn't much of a talker. Now that i think about it she never once adressed the group as a whole. She either talked to my buddy in private or to her friend exclusively in front of the group. That's interesting. I didn't notice that till now. (makes me think she was pretty lame in hindsight)

You're right about the freeze out. That's why i sat away from her when i was sitting down on the couch. I sat next to my buddy's target instead because i wanted to make my target think she wasn't important - except at this point they were both ignoring me. It wouldn't have done a whole lot to shut out a 2 set that's shutting me out.

If my buddy had been a little more aware and could've included me back into the group then at least he and he and I could've talked among ourselves and over anything the HBs said. We could've also transitioned into various DHV stories and worked off of each other's energy. But like i said he's new at this and I don't expect him to have thought of that.

I didn't realize that you really both have to know what you're doing in order to wing for each other (honestly this was my first shot at team sarging too).

I think you're absolutely right thought CK. If you and I had been sarging together somehow I think things might have turned out a little better.

Thanks bro!

CPT

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"Wait, so let me get this straight. One really big meal a day then we go to sleep, no paper towels but a little bit of bread because we're not Nazis and as many popsicles as we want."

No prob bro. If it would have been you and I, she wouldnt have been able to talk cause your cock would have been too far down your throat.

I wouldn't let this night affect your game. You are the prize. Obviously they were not even worth the effort. So who cares. Some girls are just not interested. Their loss.

CK

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My throat or hers?? LOL

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"Wait, so let me get this straight. One really big meal a day then we go to sleep, no paper towels but a little bit of bread because we're not Nazis and as many popsicles as we want."

LOL.. oops... thewillpower.org ha!

Sorry, bad hangover today...

CK

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