So if any of you guys can help me it'd be greatly appreciated~ (I'm pretty new to the game (lost my way and trying to find my way back) so i guess I'm considered a RAFC(?))

Okay I've been wondering, you know when you disqualify/ w/e its called...say "we can never be a couple cause...___" to a somewhat "shy" girl and she takes it the wrong way and gives up. How would you follow up on a disqualifier like that? (still not used to the terms..=p)

--P.S. I'm naturally cocky & somewhat funny but I have a mental block that makes me retract when I think I took it too far when in actuality i pulled back too soon, i guess i also have AA because when i start thinking about a person a lot i start caring to much [/quote]

Whole story is she's 4 yrs older than me. After she found that out it seems as though she's trying to distant herself from me. When we first started talking she asked me lots of question, laughed alot, and kept putting her sweater over her mouth while giggling (thk its an IOI). Then when we got all chummy she asked how old are you, and after I told her she seemed disappointed (I'm 18 and see her Mon, Wed, and Friday (college class)).

Help plz, advice, opinions all welcome

You don't necessarily need to outright disqualify yourself like that. Negs and teasing does it in a more playful manner. If however you were to tell her 'we would never be together because [you're not my type]' or w/e, then it should be placed between interesting stories or routines to keep her interested.

About the age issue, maybe make some remarks like "you aren't the type to judge a person's maturity by their age are you?" or lie and said you dated an older girl when in high school.

After pushing her away, disqualifying yourself, and DHVing yourself (what Mystery calls A2), you need to reel her in by validating her on her personality "my first impression of you kinda sucked, but you are actually a really cool person." Try to build rapport with her and use some of the clever gambits/trust tests you can find on this site to 'fake' a connection with her. After that, when the location is right, use a kiss close routine and go for it, don't pussy foot around.

thx for the advice appreciate it =] but I did a little bit of pussy footing(like didn't talk to her) like a noob lol...~dam. Well I guess on friday I'm gonna just go straight up n #close n try 2 hang out. Ill post how it goes.

hmm problem with eye contact, mayb im coming dwn with oneitis o.o shit..afc mode? =p lol

now i dont follow the pua, mystery method stuff so excuse me for not video tapoing and analysing my conversation lol....

shit what i do is ask opinion, build off what she says and have a fun conversatoin, with me being confident, held eye contact, teasing her a bit, and just being interesting... works just as well as the a1 a2 a3, push pull, kino and whatever other methods there are to use,

but anyways ill share with you one of my charts that i have made in order for you to understand why your doing wrong.....

first off you dont need to neg everyone, you dont need to push/pull everyone, stop or ill bitch slap you lol........

let me explain you siad the girl is shy so why are you negging her??
isnt a neg suppose to take a girl off of her unreachable area say for instance a 10 or a 9? she is shy i dont think she gets hit on much and even if she does, i highly doubt she responds much, basically if she is a 10 and shy then she is a 5 6 7 whatever you dont have to go about and neg her and all that

imagine if you were her and you were to shy to talk just not really social and you had a guy come up and neg you...how would you feel???

so anywyas here is my chart

10
9
8
7
6 opinion direct covert comedy
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5
4
3
2
1

now its a scale 10 to 1 and the line cuts it in half now i have got 3 man areas of approaching and talking to woman on this scale.....that is opinon, direct, and C&F or what i call covert comedy cause the way you approach you use humor but also talk in a way that is covert in her mind she doesnt realize your hitting on her

so for instance damn thats a big hand bag what you got in there a gun?

she thinks your just be funny and what not actually your using covert comedy

so anywyas the higher you go up that scale the more negs should be used cause of course hotter woman are praised more, direct openers should be forgetten the higher you go up and opinions should be used more to open the higher you go up, covert comedy is just about even all the way through out.....

now the lower you go on this scale the less negs should be used but on occasoin you can use C&F and now since were going lower on the scale is opens up everyting possible opener so you can use opinions, direct, or covert comedy, just have a normal conversation but still be somewhat playful and interesting, hold eye contact its all the same just dont tease her as much and feel you ave to display to er your an ALPHA MALE lol cause yeah you'll come off as an alpha asshole
so please do reframe from negging an excessive amount below the line and within circumstance like if the girl is really shy or extremly self conscious

also take into account true 10's are ones even the popular guys in your school would consider hot, so say your a 5 in looks and the girl you want is a 4 to most guys in school but you find her a 10, that doesn mean act as if she is one

do you think it be wise, to walk up to her and neg her to death?....i woudlnt recommend it, direct comment should be given like

excuse me! (kino on elbow, hold no more then 2 secs),,, but i couldnt help to feel i had to meet you (confident smile) whats your name?...and into conversation......that is a direct approach, now would it work with a 4 you damn well bet it would, would it work with a 10 i doubt it would...

so next time your sarging a girl first take into account is she shy, is she a true 10 is she a true 4 and then think of my chart

10
9
8
7
6 opinion direct covert comedy
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5
4
3
2
1

and once you have visualized my chart think for a minute what would be best in my approach to pick up this girl and should i use a neg, or should i just focus more on having a fun conversaiton with the occasion c&f comment........



well message back please, and let me know if i missed anything

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Thanks for simplifying the neg savior!

What you are talking about is calibration. If a girl has a much higher self-perceived social value than you (she is hot and she knows it) then obviously you have to neg her more.

calibration? well i learned a new term today, well i dont really read up on mystery or pua.....i find my own methods and use them to suit social interaction, and i thought of that chart one day cause i was thinking of a way to show guys where to lead there conversaotin and whre to start cause i know a lot of guys have the problem not knowing how to approach.....

and i do understand some people do get confused cause hell who has all the time to read the billions of pages of pick-up, shit once you get into the good stuff how to get the woman attracted you neglect the next few hundred pages and you dont bother reading the o yeah calibration part...you just go out and do it and then end up messing up by accident forgetting that o yeah she is shy i shouldnt of negged her so much.......

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nice posts =) (I'll read all of it when I get back). I was only asking about negging her because I thought since she's older that would she would give herself a perception of higher stature, you know with the whole disappointing look after age clarification. I don't think I responded right by giving her a plain do i look 20? I felt a neg/ C&F would've been better. And she leaves RIGHT after class finishes (not to mention I'm tardy most of the time) so I didn't have much time to talk to her after that and feels kinda awkward now.

And yea I didn't read too deeply into the mystery method (just watched the show TPUA) because I don't wanna get used to the whole canned routine stuff, trying to become natural ...but I should maybe look at some of them~

no need to look at any of them if you want to become natural go ahead i never looked at them only reason i know a little bout them is caues i post on here often and ive read up on it, but i try to develop a natural game i belief its better......but it wouldnt hurt reading up a bit and maybe get a base started

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