Dear Roads,

Thanks loads man, yeah I have to admit it's definitely a task but not unmanageable at present I love helping people, it's the main reason I do what I do.

Ok re: girls at work. Don't do it...ever. I only use them fro pre-selection. Any girl you meet at work and try to game really only ever goes bad. If you end up liking her and she doesn't it's messy, if you get in an open relationship and she gets jealous it gets messy. If you end up falling in love and work find out, they won't be happy and it gets messy. Too many bad options for it to make it worth my while?

WHat if she's amazing? what if she's hot? So what I have so many other options, and women to find and meet, no ONE girl makes it worth it.

Girls living 2 hours away, or 4700 miles away shouldn't make a difference, my gf lived a good 10 hours away by plane. Unless there's something I'm missing.

AFC Adam,

Dear Chief

Flaking is a funny one. I NEVER EVER get them. 2 reasons. 1, as you said I normally convert same night, however I do go for day 2's from time to time.

THe trick is I always meet girls when I'm surrounded by other girls, so I'll typically invite out a few of them o the same day 2. If some flake, I don't care, (though this really doesn't happen as they feel comfortable in a group) when they all turn up I play them off each other to close the one I want.

I also always have something to do on a day 2.

Bowling, or eating ice cream, or visiting a friend performing at the theatre/stand up comedy etc.

As to being mysterious. I'm afraid I never bother. I'm boring, simple and plain. But I roll with crowds of people and introduce them to each other and have fun with them. I don't have the pressure of being a performing monkey because they talk to each other. All I have to do is organise the meet up. This gives me my status. It can't be knocked, it can't be taken away. I'm the social leader of my groups.

I hope that helps man,

AFC Adam,

Dear AFC Adam

First off, massive thanks for taking the time to do this - really appreciate it.

My question regards: when and how should you isolate a target if they are part of a large group -given that you have done the first stages well, opened and got the group to like you and got the targets interest.

It seems to me this is a crucial part of pickup, as getting the girl alone is the transition that allows things to really escalate and psychologically it seems to me that by agreeing to go off alone with you the target is, at some level, accepting your advances - which is a big decision since all the other girls know the motives behind you separating their friend from the group.

so how do you read/or make the judgement of when its appropriate to do so without someone in the group objecting or making it awkward for the target to ditch their friends?

thanks,
Rich

Dear RicardoMasono

Thanks loads! OK Isolation is a key area, as if you can't seperate her from her mates you're going to fight for every peice of ground. Typically i'll isolate when I feel we've been kino'ing heavily. I.e. at the point where we're constantly touching each other, and I feel there is a K-close on the cards. The isolation is done specifically to have the K-Close before moving back to the group.

With such heavy Kino you can tell she is going to be up for it, then all you need is a good reason to leave. This really can be almost anything, some great ones include just saying.

"Hey I'm going to get a drink...come and give me a hand"

Simple sweet and easy.

Hope this helps.

AFC Adam,

Adam,

I hav been at college for 2 days as i write this post. Getting the attention i wanted from a neon pink tie and black polo on the first day everything has just got better and better.
Its only the first week so women arnt number 1 on my prioritys (i have other things in my life) however getting a solid social group/ getting my name known is high on the list.

In these 2 days i am getting things going well, i am already getting a snowball effect (friends introducing me to their friends) and at lunch today i was centre of the largest social group.

My social proof is also gaining and gaining. Since we are all new, every teacher does the whole "tell us about urself thing" which is great time to DHV. Once i throw out the fact i am on the england wheelchair bball under 23's team i get attention which i use with some C&F attitude along with flirting with the HBs in the rooms and just keeping everyone enthusiastic and happy.

Now dont worry, this is neither a boasting post or a post about how well ur meta game and whole "social" thing works well

What i would like to know is what you would suggest i did now. I have the aquaintences. They are increasing in number every hour due to the snowball effect but i am not sure what to do now in order to hold this social dominance and proof and/or how to capitilise on it

Adam.

Hey AFC Adam!

I got another question for you since I know you have experience in managing multiple long-term relationships. I used to live in a small town, so exclusive relationships were kind of the standard. But I recently moved to washington dc and there is so much to do and so many people to see. I have decided that I dont want to be exclusive because I might miss out on so much. Im not saying that I want mLTR or that I want to just hook up with a bunch of guys. In fact, I prefer to keep it more on the casual side....I just dont want to settle down. So that said...how can I convey that to guys without SOUNDING like a slut! haha Guys can get away with that answer a lot easier I believe, but we all know that if I told a guy my real reason he will either think I am easy or just not into him enough to be in a serious relationship.

Thanks in advance!

~B

Dear Hobbit,

Thanks for the props on the book! Honestly an MLTR does end up making her appear like a number to you. In fact if you really cared for a girl i'd suggest that in almost every situation you didn't MLTR her. (including cheating) as it only ruins the relationship for yourself.

Shame but true.

AFC Adam,

Dear Madals,

Man that's awesome! And excellent news, It seems you've put everything into action that we spoke about.

Now the key is honestly...to enjoy it

Make sure events are fun, organise things. Since coming back to London for a few days everyone has said to me..OMG i'm glad your back we can stop sleeping. I've arranged nights out, game days, trips to the arcade. Organising things that are fun to do is a great way of keeping people interested in whats going on.



Then simply play and flirt with people...sexually escalating with the ones you want. THough be sure not to give anyone more attention than the others until you're alone with them...and never close one in front of any others.

Hope this helps.

AFC Adam,

Heya Bonita21

Ok this is an easy one.

not because I'm good at it but because my GF used to be incredible at it!

SHe would flirt with guys but had simple rules.

1) she flirts with ALL of them and touches them all.
2) she refuses to go on dates
3) she goes out in groups of people only
4) she lets the guys chase her
5) if they offer to drive her home she would accept and then they may end up kissing or shaking
6) she didn't meet up with them the next day cos she was busy


It's the appearance of doing things that gives you a rep.

If you're seen making out with different people the rep appears. If they never see it it doesn't exist

If a boy ever crossed a line, if he came on too strong for her, tried to get her into a relationship she would reply with.

"you're cut"

and then take a few steps back from them, still being polite but not engagin them.

This way she not ony managed to hook up with the hottest guys in her school. She also managed to keep the reputation of "the girl no-one can date" as opposed to "the slut"

A very key difference. purely down to never being seen being with anyone. Never getting too wasted, never having random make outs.

Hope this helps.

AFC Adam,

I haven't read the whole thread, so I apologize if this has already been asked.

I'm 17, I've been studying pickup for a few months now, and I'm getting really solid on all of the concepts and I am a lot more conscious of what I'm doing to build value for myself, throwing in negs, overall confidence [or more so than I had], etc. But since I'm not legally allowed into clubs for another few months, I can only get day game practice in. The problem with that is that I know it's structured differently from night game, but I can't seem to find any comprehensive resources to learn the ins and outs of it.

Anything about day game is generally very short and incomplete. Some say direct is better in day game, some say to avoid it. I can see it from either perspective; it takes a lot of confidence [DHV] to cold approach and be direct in a midday situation but at the same time it might come off as creepy or any compliments you throw into your direct game might lower your value.

Got any tips? A community college is my testing ground.

Dear thatkidej

Heya man there has been a few bits of talk on dagame already and a great post on the forum by one guy in particular. It may pay for you to search day game in the search function for a bit more.

However I'm going to answer the question of Direct vs indirect in daygame, and use this as an excuse to settle a myth. Honestly people argue over which is better, but ignore a key element.

Direct only ever works if you can convey enough value at the open.

So in that case you need.

confidence
looks
body language
fashion (social intelligence)
lack of need

all down as well as many more skills in order to generate the correct amount of attraction.

Indirect is more powerful in that it gives you a better chance of success over time. However does take longer and doesn't always work.

The trick is to decide which you want to do yourself.

AFC Adam,

well I listened to RSDs mastermind 7 about day game and that's where I heard direct was better. I psyched myself out about it to the point that I feel comfortable with going direct i.e. "I saw you from over there and I had to come meet you". Even if it wasn't more effective, I think I could banish all my AA a whole lot faster if I just said "fuck it" and went direct on a bunch of girls at my college. There's so many people there I could experiment with both, but I just don't want to scare any girls off by going direct.

I don't have fashion down, and I'm no Clooney, but I think I could convey a lot of value in the first few minutes, if that's what I need.

I think I'll experiment with both, that should eliminate my AA on two separate levels! Thanks for the response.

dear adam,

i need an original way to attract a girl that i know in my school. i know she is attracted, but i dont want to do what every guy does. could you share some routines that can help me build more attraction?

Dear thatkidej,

Man thats the idea. Whether you go Direct or Indirect it doesn't matter, wat matters is you have the "go to it" attitude, that gets you out there doing something.

Good luck!

AFC Adam,

Dear rlouisj7

Honestly if you feel you have attraction, you don't want to go about attempting to build more, as you could come across as a try hard.

Instead I'd focus on doing something about the attraction you have and isolating her away from the current areas you hang out and getting to a more intimate situation like a day 2.

Why not see if she has any bowling skills and have a day hanging out at a bowling alley? or tell her you have a party to go to but need a date that won't just hang on your arm like a puppy all night and see if she'd be up for going along?

Getting both of you out of the current situation into one where there is just the two of you is going to be the next step after attraction to get the girl.

Hope this helps man and the best of luck with it.

AFC Adam,