No Probs!

Man you DOOO look like frodo!

Seriously though I appreciate the feedback.

I went on a mission back in 2007 to get the community to think in terms of being normal and have a good social circle and building up their game naturally. (as opposed to natural game though obviously the interlock)

Anywho I have no idea if I had anything to do with it, but I do see a change.

AFC Adam,

Many guys that I know who venture into the community (and get their asses out in field) will eventually find some success at a point. However, they tend to hit this dark spot where they either...
a.) get fed up with "gaming" people because it's almost inhumane
b.) lose faith in women
c.) feel Machiavellian and become disgusted with themselves

Just from what I've seen, most of these guys start out with the canned, the M3, the SS... basically 1st and 2nd gen stuff.

Did you ever hit the dark spot? Did you ever have to take a break? Did you ever have some sort of epiphany that led you to a better view of humanity? Did you skip all this crap because you paved your own way?

Respectfully,
-Zip

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Hey AFCAdam!

I was wondering if you could use your knowledge to help a girl out...

I am new to PUA but I think I am catching on quickly. To keep things short there is this guy I have been gaming and I totally controlled the frame and had him trying to qualify himself to me until I made the ultimate mistake (aka drunk texting). It was just a small message, but enough for him to know I liked him and he responded with something like "Thats extremely flattering, but you don't want to like me now. Im kinda fresh out of a relationship and have no interest in settling down. I'm kinda a jerk." I responded back telling him i wasnt looking for anything major. Basically I took all my work and dumped it down the drain. But I know he was interested, i think i might be dealing with a pua type or natural here. Any tips on how to get the control back? Thanks a bunch...you're advice on this thread has been great btw!

~B

AFC Adam if you don't mind could you go further into your high school life. It almost feels like high school is a "training ground" per se for learning social interaction and such. Were you a really shy person in high school or more of a social person doing it all wrong? Where you constantly trying to get girls? Did you ever go through depression? I see you as a huge role model right now, you're pretty much everything I aspire to be as a PUA. But right now I can't really hit the club scene as Im only 17.

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I just wanna fuck bad bitches, for all the nights I never had bitches.

Hi Adam,, quick question,, just wondered how pick up is different for guys who constantly get complimented on they're looks, also how do you respond to a girl who compliments your good looks?

thanks

Totti;;

Dear Zip,

A really good question, I've heard some great things about you so really appreciate the ask.

OK did I hit a dark spot. I'd love to say I didn't, and Id love to dodge the question as it opens up a whole other can of worms with regards to how good I am at game.

Believe it or not I got good, REALLY good. No-one aside from me knows just what I was capable of, but when I was at my peak I can't think of a single time when I got blown out, or refused a lay. Heck I didn't even get LMR.

Then It hit me... Why was I on the planet?

I didn't need to earn money - Women paid my way
I didn't need success - Women loved me anyway
I didn't even need to go out to game - women came to my house and even slept with me via way of recomendation!

I had no motivation to do anything other than sit in doors sleeping with women. It wasn't cool.

I thought I was kinda pointless being on the planet and was depressed for 3 days.

Then I met a girl, a beautiful girl who I had fun being around. I decided I would spend more attention with her.

I decided to tae a decision to be good to her, to invest in her and not get her to work for me.

Then I realised something. The fun i had with her on a day to day basis was amazing. WE would joke laugh and flirt, but I wouldn't close her. I decided I would keep her as a friend only, and enjoy the fun. Eventually she left the country and moved back to france.

I was devastated. As she left she parted with these words.

" I hate you Adam, You made me like you alot, and you never kissed me. You kissed all those other girls but not me.

I was gutted. The one girl I got on with so well who was like a best friend didn't like me for not sleeping with her!

So I made a promise. The next time I met a girl who was different I would be friends with her exclusively. I would drop all the other girls and I would invest myself as I had with the last girl rather than getting the girls to invest in me.

Then I met Amanda.....


Hope that covers it? Any more questions ( I liked that one haha never told that story before)

AFC Adam,

Dear Bonita21

Glad you like the advice, I'm enjoying doing it, and it's alot easier than trawling through the forum for posts. (and less time consuming)

Hahah ok you know who's really good at this? Amanda.

he techniques here are sick, and she's never told anyone but me.
The key here as far as I remember, is to get him to emotionally invest. Get him to shack over, flirt get sexual...but then have a line he can't cross.

I.e. he can sleep over but only let him touch you. ;o)

This will get him investing like you won't believe. Then you want to get him to talk about his past as he lies next to you. If you can open him up when it's just the two of you alone and you don't sexually invest in him, you have NO IDEA what this will do to him.

Though this is a very dark and naughty trick and should only be done if you really really do like the guy.

Hope this helps.

Let me know if you need more advice on this one, as it's part of the girl stuff I've been putting together for a while now.

AFC Adam,

I am new to PUA but I think I am catching on quickly. To keep things short there is this guy I have been gaming and I totally controlled the frame and had him trying to qualify himself to me until I made the ultimate mistake (aka drunk texting). It was just a small message, but enough for him to know I liked him and he responded with something like "Thats extremely flattering, but you don't want to like me now. Im kinda fresh out of a relationship and have no interest in settling down. I'm kinda a jerk." I responded back telling him i wasnt looking for anything major. Basically I took all my work and dumped it down the drain. But I know he was interested, i think i might be dealing with a pua type or natural here. Any tips on how to get the control back? Thanks a bunch...you're advice on this thread has been great btw!

Dear Nogame


I sucked in High school. Average - high grades, only 3 friends who would hang out with me because we all played dungeons and dragons...and they didn't like me being there.

I had another 3 friends who were cooler than me but liked ball games and I wasn't good enough to play.

I was a year younger than everyone else after having been put up a year in school. I looked like this.




I didn't have the confidence to approach girls and cried on my last day of school for not having the confidence to approach the girl I liked for 5 years and on the last day she said.

"it's a shame we didn't get to talk much further cos you seemed nice"

Honestly don't give up.

My best advice?

Set up parties and invite people. If you can get that going now, you'll change drastically.

Good luck!

AFC Adam,

Dear totti_07

Ok game's the same.

but,

easier.

Cos you get opened, but that's it!

Then you still have to carry acros the interaction. You can probably assume a degree of comfort and go with a break in rapport.

But remember anything that works for girls works for guys too.

How about.

"I bet you say that to all the guys"

Play the poor innocent female victim. if she approached you shell probably be willing to escalate things a bit. Enjoy the role of being hunted.


Then play the game as normal.

Does that help?


AFC Adam,


Hi Adam,, quick question,, just wondered how pick up is different for guys who constantly get complimented on they're looks, also how do you respond to a girl who compliments your good looks?

thanks

Hey man, delighted you're helping out on the forum now. I've only gotten into your approach to pick-up recently and have found it much more natural and much more suited to my own personality than anything I've come across before Unfortunately I missed the webinar yesterday though oh well...

quick (or not so quick) question though and any help you could give would be greatly appreciated:

I'm still not sure about "rapport breaking". I understand where it falls in your formula of attraction but I'm not really sure how it's done. Do you use a false disqualifier? ("you seem really cool, pity I prefer blondes" kinda thing, to make her start qualifying herself to you) A neg? Disagree with something she's said? Something completely different to all of the above?

Thanks for any help you can give

As ever, quality response to my last question.

I realize you're from England but I'm keeping my fingers crossed tht you have a little bit of insight to American colleges (uni) now that you've moved to US. Last year I never enjoyed college's social scene; I can always list other excuses like my school loaded w/ nerds (top-tier), having a lame dorm, being a minority etc etc, but at the end of the day the larger reason was that I didnt kno enough girls period.

I'm not part of any fraternity and I'm still looking for clubs to join where the hotties are at, but most hotties at my school only join sororities so that's difficult. Expanding my social circle takes a while (Im guessing at least a month or two).

In the meantime, what should I do at parties without knowing that many hotties and how should I day game at a closed environment because most of the parties are in the beginning of the year and I dont wanna miss out on fun again.

College is so different. I had a MUCH MUCH easier time and A LOT more fun this summer at bars and mainly clubs in foreign countries than gaming in a closed environment. But I dont wanna miss out on my college fun.

On a side question, what's your best way of doing group sets in street game, since it'd be quite difficult to use mere exposure effect there to pump up your passive value? I feel very uncomfortable gaming out on the streets because of all the racket going on the streets, and the fact that I have to be holding a group and get them to stay.

Dear Timmy2000

Actually I can help you in multiple ways in one answer.

If you check out the webinar review there is now an audio file where someone asks me specifically about Breaking Rapport.

In summary here out of a matter of completeness,

Everything you listed is a Rapport Break.

You Break rapport as a means to show her that you aren't as invested in the situation as she is. This causs an uncomfortableness that you allow her to fix.

which is the start of her investment.

Make sense?
There where some good questions on that in the webinar so check it out!

AFC Adam


ey man, delighted you're helping out on the forum now. I've only gotten into your approach to pick-up recently and have found it much more natural and much more suited to my own personality than anything I've come across before Unfortunately I missed the webinar yesterday though oh well...

quick (or not so quick) question though and any help you could give would be greatly appreciated:

I'm still not sure about "rapport breaking". I understand where it falls in your formula of attraction but I'm not really sure how it's done. Do you use a false disqualifier? ("you seem really cool, pity I prefer blondes" kinda thing, to make her start qualifying herself to you) A neg? Disagree with something she's said? Something completely different to all of the above?

Thanks for any help you can give

Dear AZ Inch

No probs.

Ok you guys have to forgive me I haven't slerpt in 48 hours and am now in EWngland about to do a film shoot for a TV company.

so appologies if this isn't the best response ever.

First up.

You're playing catch up. when you work out hoe to be a good freshman (which you missed out on before) the college peeps re working out how to be good at their year 2.

Get ahead of the game, forge the college arties they suck.

Set up your own party in the bars and clubs where you've been gaming!

Contact a promotor and find a quiet night,. USe that night to work wih him and set up a student night.

Failing that a friend of mine in a similar situ to you in Miami has gone back in his second year and set up thirsty thursdays. where after class they all go to a local bar and by big happy hour cocktails and chll out.

because he orgaises he knows everyone, never runs out of things to say and has the value.

With regards to street sets.

Mere exposure is even more powerful.

Imgine being in a coffee shop and speaking to the people either side of you before talking to the hot chick buying coffee.

you come under the radar as a friendlyt chap instead of an opportunist PUA.

I hope this helps.

Lets me know if it's waffle due to lack of sleep.

AFC Adam,

Dear Hobbit

Limbo routine? if so there's a vid on youtube. I think someone on here discovered it themselves recently too.



Propinquity?

Thats a good one.

Links don't post well though as far as I can tell.

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No worries I wouldnt even have energy staring at the screen after not sleeping for 48 hrs so wow 0_0

For college game-

I was only able to game at bars and clubs in other countries (took a trip to Asia this summer) since America is the only country that I know of has a 21+ rule.

I thought about organizing my own house party but that'll be a truckload of money for alcohol that my friends wouldnt be able to afford as a whole, and girls wouldnt be down for a BYOB event. My friends' frats could work, but then I wouldnt be the host anymore since it's at another frat. It sounds like I'm trying to make things more difficult, but I've thought up the concept of organizing a party ages since I was a freshman but location was always the obstacle.

You're right the college parties do suck!! I love clubs and bars (but as reasons stated earlier I cant), and that's where all the hotties end up going (parties) so that only leaves me with day game option cause at the moment, gaming at parties without knowing many people there seriously sucks and it's very miserable.

Besides, my school is known for having a low supply of hotties as compared to other schools in the state =(

As far as street game goes, I understand the whole coffee shop because I've read that before from you a while ago and have tried it out (not to good effect though). But I was trying to refer to actual street game like for example, around the college campus. People are walking back and forth so how on earth would you do mere exposure, as by the time you set it up, the group of girls have long walked by. I've seen the video where you daygame that lonewolf, but what about a whole group of girls?

I'm just kind of annoyed right now because I'm stuck in not having more confidence as well as breaking rapport successfully to give her a good reason to invest in me and see me again. I feel like having a few missing jigsaw puzzles that if filled, would complete me tremendously but I'm on a scavenger hunt right now for these apparently elusive pieces. Yikes.

Thanks a lot,
AZ


P.S I rarely listen to podcasts because to me it's such a waste of time, but I'm so glad googling "Adam Lyons Forum" led me to this site and an informative and ORIGINAL webinar.