Sunday I was in a BAR, I aproach a 7 HB the things were went well, but after some minutes her friend a 5hb come over and began to disqualify me,,, If I didn't have donne anything I would lose my game, but I began to use some negs with her,, for my luck it worked she didn't know what to do, and gonne away, leaving the target free.... so If the friend of the target try to disqualify you,, use some negs it worked for me,,, tested.....

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I'd prefer to neg the target and laugh WITH the objects.

There's been a few times I tried the neg on the objects and they ended up asking for my number and wanting my attention. I find that its much better to qualify with the objects by showing common interests and negging the target.

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I'm a bit trigger happy about negs, I neg everyone. Target, obsticle, doesn't matter. It makes me come across as super high value (I dress like a rock star), and those guys can get away with anything.

Generally, I try to make the target feel a little unconfortable, or ignore her. Than I say, to the obsticle (who is now won over), "I've been ignoring your friend, mind if I talk to her for a little while?"

I then move the target, without waiting for a yes/no.

(This is theory, I've only done it in field about three times. So far though, it has worked.)

~Kurent

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Well with my job I am never really home, I am always on the road or in another city for extended periods of time. I was up in Cold Lake and I negged this HB7.5 with a killer body. I tried to be cocky funny at the same time but it didn't seem to work so I tried to back track it and play the sweet guy. That too backfired and she told me I was the cockiest guy she had met and said her ex bf used to be really cocky like that. I tried so hard to get back on the good side but it just didn't work out. I froze her out and that really pissed her off. I completely screwed everything up. Anyone have anything that might help me out next time I meet a HB like this? Or has anyone had similar experiences?

turn it all around to be a good thing
tension is a good thing
if she calls you cocky tell her you're glad she likes it
call her on her bullshit attitude, it might get her to drop her sheilds.
something like "man you need to loosen up, you haven't got laid in a long time huh"

it sounds like she was calling you on your bluff, to see if you are really as cocky and manly as you seemed to be
and you let her win without calling her out on it or getting a # close

she likes cocky guys like her ex-bf, you just weren't congruent enough to close

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Alright I will turn it around next time. Thanks for the advice.

Negging is basically an insult... how can you use that to attract people...

I used to use negs and amog every guy in the set... until I realised I felt alpha just because I put people down, I didn't really see myself as valuable.

I'd rather be honest with my intentions, lead gently and make her friends realise I am interested in my target, and that I feel she's special... when they see her having a good time and being so interested in me they won't try to block me.

No need to be unpolite by negging or other forms of discouragement. Develop a powerful personality instead by believing in yourself and approaching boldly.

Everything else are just excuses.

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So you are saying negs are bad? What about if you are cocky/funny with the negs. I love when I neg a girl and she negs me back. It usually turns into a compition of negs and in the end everything always works out fine.

Why not instead be playfull with her...
and tease her assuming she likes you and find reason to interpret everything as a IOI... that's being playful and attractive...

with negs you break rapport and i remember that once i started negging i could hardly stop it.. cause it was so fun and i didn't care about her as long as i won the neg war

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Well isnt that the thing with being cocky/funny with negs. Its all playful, with me even when I am not sarging I neg people, but at the same time I neg myself. I figure if you can't neg yourself then you should neg someone else. You have to know your own flaws and improve on them. But then again thats just me. I am just happy go lucky and could care less what people say, as long as I get the last punch in

I know... exactly what you mean. Been there. I have a friend who can't stop negging, amogging... and he breaks rapport with girls... it's good to start things with but he can't stop it cause he enjoys it and it perfectly covers his insecurities... and he ruins rapport... so the girls don't feel a connection with him...

I think it's a lot easier to attract a woman... by being a strong man from the beginning... and showing you care for her without fearing to get hurt...

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Sorin I think you are wrong, the neg is to disqualfy an high status HB, for example if you don't neg a 10 or a 9, you will be like all others gus of the night that is hiting on her, when you use the neg her thinks that you are different, and are not trying to get her attetion like all others, on the other hand, when you neg hbs that is less than 8 , they tend to get it personally and get upset, this is the porpouse of this topic,,, This is what mystery say, and it work great, but maybe you have found, a way that work better for you


Note: My english is still horrible seeyou

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SORIN, I have been reading your replys in differents posts and the most I read, more sure I am that you dont understand the idea of this kind of "pick up behaviour".
I dont say that Im a complete PUA but you are always saying things that for people that are newbies and read this here could be really counterproductive because you are confusing them.
A neg is not an insult, or almost an insult, a neg is a neg, if when you neg you break rapport is because you didnt neg, you insult the girl. Besides that, the whole idea of the neg is to be used in the beginning of the interaction, to show the HB that you will not kiss her ass because she is beautiful, but if you already have rapport, you dont need to neg, just be C&F sometimes (dont overdo it because it will lost its power).
One more thing that give me clues that you dont agree with the whole PUA community in its basics ideas (or you arent informed enough) is your final sentence "Just be yourself", when almost every Dating Guru out there teach you not to be yourself, if you are a fat, shy, messy and alcoholic guy, what are the odds of having success with women?? You need to be your bestself!!
(dont offend sorin, but I need to put this because you can confuse newbies)



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yeah ice you're right i seem to be the confused guy here haha

no ... really... i know where you're coming from... i've been there... i'm just trying to show you guys the shortest way out of it...

"I can only show you the path. You have to walk it!"

PS Being yourself and confident about it. Ok... you may call it "your bestself". It's just to show that acting, or using lies and other people's routines is bad for your self esteem, the one thing that matters most in a pickup.

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Well, obviously you dont get my point. What im saying is that you can confuse newbies about what you are saying.
Canned material is not a bad thing for your selfesteem, is the way everyone initiate in this, will be bad if you continue using them forever, but are almost a must for beginners, and im not alone in this position.
This forum has a lot of newcomers, so for them is great to start with canned material, just remember in the process to develop your social skills too and not only depend on them.
PS: I dont want "to show the path" to anyone, just try to help anyone that need a bit of advice. Obviously we will never agree, so this is the end of this topic for me. Luck



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