tell her straight up that you want to be more than friends...dont spit no game just be your self and since your really good friends if you tell her sincerely how ur feeling, she would like that and appreciate that...dont try to make moves just let her know whats good. Personally i only believe being yourself and being sincere is the most attractive thing to girls. Shit i barely have to spit game.

Anyways i had the same issue and i told her what was good but she just wanted to be friends, so i left it at that. about a month later she calls me up on some im feeling you shit and i just broke up with my boyfriend. But i told her im past you and i would just like to stay friends. and now she wont leave me alone.So tell her whats up, if she says no, leave it at that and let it sit with her and since ur good friends most likely she'll come to you

Just start gaming them as if you had just met them in the club for the first time. That way, you will be treating them like you dont know them at all, and pull them through all your routines. The way you act and think about her will change and will subconsciously change too! Think about it, you'll be giving off a TOTALLY different vibe than she's used to just by throwing routines and negs on her. She'll forget the "old" you and will be suddenly confused and attracted to this "new" you that popped out of NOWHERE.

Your girl will be like, "Oh wow this guy is interesting, never saw this side of him before."

Say,"You know beauty is common, but do you know what blah blah blah..."

When all else fails, game her hard. Go for broke, most of the posts here say to forget the girl if LJBF occurs, but sometimes you gotta just take that leap and dont look back

I unwittingly pulled the transition from friend to a one night stand back to friends with no status loss. Here's how it happened. (Note: I'm just an AFC who got lucky recounting what happened. By no means a PUA.)

Me: You know, you've been sending all kinds of mixed signals. (Said rather earnestly.)
HB: Oh I'm sorry, I'll stop.
Me: What if I said I don't want you to? (Think alpha here instead of pitiful, it's all in the tone.)
*awkward pause with eye contact*
HB: Kiss me. (Yeah like I passed that one up.)

Next night we went back to my place to just hang out, but as they often say, "One thing lead to another."

Honestly I'm still confused as to how it happened, but I remember the details. Maybe there is a method to this madness?

Also you have to ask yourself, is it worth risking the friendship? Being as she was possibly the hottest girl I'd ever seen the answer was, "Hell yes."

However I'd like to have another conjugal visit, that's where I'm stuck SPAM. I'll let that sit on the back burner though, unless someone has advice?

I just had a complete fuck up over the weekend with a friend...very tragic and very applicable to this post. If there's a silver lining to it, its the fact that I can share this with everyone and hopefully we can all learn what to do in the future if this shit happens again to anybody..
I had booked a weekend getaway with a super HB 10 friend in Thailand who actually had a BF but the BF is a complete chump and she's already said to me that she probably would not stay with him for long. Super HB considered me her friend but had been giving me IOIs and the fact that she was willing to stay with me in a hotel rm in the weekend was a surefire sign...or so I thought at that time...
Long long story cut short, it got to the pt where we were in the rm at night and we were sharing a red wine together. I had kinoed her all day and nite and b4 tat, had negged her like crazy but she got to the pt where she told me that she couldn't make me her BF or sleep with me tat nite cause she just couldn't give me wat I wanted and she just needed a gd friend at the moment because she had 100 AFCs and losers hitting on her. I was internally taken aback and I had to admit that my ego was hit hard and bad at that point. But, I didn't show anything and simply told her that I wasn't like the other guys and wouldn't force her to be my GF and/or have sex with me. She was happy abt it but for the whole fucking nite, I was just agonising and seething away. I guessed I let my emotions control me and in a fit of stupidity, decided to punish her in the morning by doing a total freeze out...And with that, she knew that I had turned different in the morning and the pure hurt and disappointment from her just destroyed everything between us She told me that she honestly thought that I was different from other guys but now had to go thru all the same loser AFC shit again with me...And with that, I blew it...utterly...
But, as I said, I guess there are lessons to be learnt from this exp:

1) Kino escalate but don't make it too overt. If u touch a girl's thigh/arm, breast or waist, make it just a short 3-5 sec touch at the longest. Any longer and the girl's ASD will kick in.

2) Don't let it destroy your internal frame of mind if the girl LJBF or implies it so. Or to put it simply, don't let it affect you. Play it cool and continue simple kino, or C & F, and never, ever, think that you are a loser if u get LJBFed. It happens to everyone and we have to live with it.

3) Process over outcome. This is something that a fellow PUA kept telling me but in the heat of my emotions, I completely forgot about it. Translated, this means "I don't care if we have sex or not in the end. I can live without it and walk away as a man" But I was so focused on trying to get the outcome that the opposite happened.

(Sigh) For what its worth, this HB is coming to see me again in 2 weeks (she lives in a neighbouring country only 1.5 hrs flight away) but because of the nuclear bomb that I dropped on her, I'm just left with ashes. So please, take this post as a lesson for everyone and I guess I now have to follow the hard core PUA cure to get rid of one-itis: Go meet, pick up, and fuck 10 other girls and stick a note to my chest stating...Process over Outcome

This is a good post. Thanks. It is true that when we are put into a LJBF zone, we get emotional and act accordingly.
I also had similar "instinct" to freeze the girl, but that would probably just made me look even worse.

I re-read the part of "The Game" where at the start, Mystery was telling Style and the other students that All your emotions are going to try to fuck you up. And ultimately, that's what I allowed. Mystery repeated this line again in an indirect manner in a YouTube video when he was talking about the grieving process he went thru when his dad passed away and when he broke up with Katya. I guess I should have really learnt and taken this lesson to heart b4 I crashed and burnt on the weekend...
But the other lesson...or the PUA code...that I should have followed was the time honoured one from Ross Jeffries (I think) which is: Leave her better than when you found her. And if I did that, even though I didn't get anywhere with her, I would have far more respect for myself and more importantly, would have preserved her dignity and mine as well. This is another vital inner game lesson that really separates the AFC from the PUA at the end of the day.

I'm at the LJBF phase with this one girl. We started dating she showed me all of the IOI's we kiss closed and a few days after the kiss close she started with the LJBF. I know shes attracted to me I just can't figure out how to get her out of the LJBF phase for more.

EPIC

How do you stay out from Friends zone?

Simple...

hold her hand at one point... and smile letting her know you like her and want her by that smile...

or just hug her at one point with affection showing a bit of sexuality and closeness...

tell her you feel attracted to her by not giving a damn if she doesn't reciprocate... it's her choice, her freedom, her loss

there are many others who will reciprocate, why lose time with one that doesn't? have the power to walk away when a girl doesn't feel the same for you and you're starting to have fake hopes and wasting time!

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dhv up tha wazoot. higher your value in every way possible and neg and iod her. its all well and good saying stay in the friends zone - but what if you dont want to? you have a right to the girl you want. oh yh get rid of this bf with some disarmers. lay off the comfort as much as possible and get in some pure attraction. dont qualify her till you get shit loads of iois. basically use a2 as your outline.
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At this point it's all about escalating the interaction while blaming her for it.

So you can pull her into you and say something like

" What are you doing to me, You are too cute. I hate it!"

You want to blame her for the escalations saying things like "if you weren't so sexy, I wouldn't be trying to get into your pants. You suck."

If she brings up she wants to be friends you simply respond.

" That's great I would love to be friends because you're really ( list the reasons you like being her friend) but I'm gonna keep trying to fuck you.

Then change the subject, it's a trap because she has to leave or not hang out. If she continues to see you as friends, she's giving you passive permission to escalate on her.

You also want to start reflecting back on her how she wants to be seen. In Breakthrough Comfort we call this " The Golden Mirror" This is where you acknowledge her for who she wants to be and how he could do that based on her personality. It's hard to explain in text but this is lethal in converting friends into lovers, because it allows you to give her the most amazing compliments she could ever hear.

In general as long as you are confident in your escalations and you release them like I showed above with non sequitor teases, you should be fine.

S

This works, I tried it when I used indirect.

I don't use that anymore.. I simply escalate and show her i want to be more than friends... if not, that's life...

i can accept rejection, no problem! i don't run away from it with magic tricks like that

it's very attractive for a woman to see you know what you want and you go for it and don't care whether she accepts or not

it's tempting ....

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i also am in this boat. last week i told my friend that i had a thing for her outside of friendship. we talked that night for a few hours about it, then after that we didnt have any contact until yesterday when she asked if i would like to go out for sushi with her.

maybe gapping from her is the way to go, maybe not.

just make sure your intentions are true, when dealing with a friend. either way at some point that person is going to influence your life a great deal more. all be it for the better or worse

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Suggest taking a massage class together... kind of what friends do, but more can happen if you're 'practicing' massage techniques alone.

BUT how do you suggest massage class without looking gay??? There's a question...

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