Hi Adam great to see you on a forum! I would like to add onto some of the questions that's been asked earlier.

1) most dancefloors i go to are flooded with people and its so hard to get a girl to dance from beyond the dancefloor (most girls arent that friendly at clubs i go to and always in groups, also i go to are dance clubs to begin with),

therefore do you recommend opening girls on the dancefloor (if so, with what openers?)

2) this functional thing you were talking about. what if people blow me off if I'm just trying to be friendly with them. would that decrease my value?

Dear Iodine,

Heya man, Lets look at it. The clubs you go to are fun happening places, where the girls all want to dance. They went there to go dancing. So yeah for sure open them on the dancefloor.

But when you open what are you always seeking to do?

You're seeking to improve their current level of happiness, typically by adding value. Baring this in mind almost everything you could use to open aside from dancing will take her time aay from dancing and therfore the fun she's having.

So in these situations you shoudl think about using kino openers. Things that involve dancing. Why not use a high five and then twirl her around and get dancing with her, then move onto her friends. You could even use a little something I developed back in 2006 called the dancefloor limbo. I've made a video of this which should be up on youtube soon.

...excerpt from old post

"In my honest opinion this is goldust. It helped me number close an HB9 and an HB8 last friday night. I noticed a bunch of girls in On anon a few weeks ago standing in front of the bar getting people to limbo under the belt if they wanted to get past.

So on Friday at Umbaba I decided to give it a go. I took my belt off, gave one end to an HB9 pivot of mine, then all my friends started limboing underneath in time to the music. This attracts ALOT I repeat ALOT of IoI's from nearby girls. Then a simple hand gesture will hook the girls into playing Limbo with you. This really works.

I had been trying to hook the HB9 all night to no avail, she literally ignored all my opens. However one gesture from the Trouser Belt Limbo and she was hooked.

A word of warning, the bar staff did not like it at all and told us to stop the game. However that gave me the chance to talk to the Hb9 and number close her.

Anyway guys I hope you have fun with these. While writing this the HB8 just called and asked me to Day 2 her right now. So I'm off.
Let me know how you get on with these."




If you're just being functional and friendly people are unlikely to blow you off. When was the last time you got told to fuck yourself when you asked where the toilets where?

Hope this helps.


AFC Adam.,

Dear Hobbit,

This is actually the way attraction works, regardless of situation.

there is always some level of comfort, which is broken by one party causing the other party to pursue. sometimes both parties pursue.

In either case in answer to your question yes.

If you already know a girl and she only views you as a friend you need some kind of rapport break and potentially a heavy one to turn things into some kind of attraction.

Though be careful because if you misjudge things you could lose her completely.

Hope this helps.

AFC Adam,

That's really quite brilliant I must say. It really makes the whole attraction issue a lot less murky, as I've always just judged how attracted they were, but not exactly put thought into what comprises it, beyond intuitively.

The only part that I'm a little confused about, is the Rapport function. I have always thought that increasing rapport was the goal, not decreasing it, but I suppose if you were in too deep rapport, it would reduce the sexual tension, as she'd be just too comfortable with you and land you in the friend zone. Is that what you intended?

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"The 'Brick Walls' are there to allow you to prove how badly you want something!" ~ Randy Pausch

~ Rye

Dear Rye Lee.

Think of it as needing to show some willingness to walk away.

So you build rapport then break it to show her that she may lose you unless she does something to keep you.

She opts in and invests causing her to become slightly more attracted to you.

you then use the qualification to keep that investment and secure the close.

Does that help?

AFC Adam,

Sort of the equivalent of a verbal body-rock it sounds like. Show her that you're not just gonna pander to her and that you will feel free to disagree, or lose interest, if she doesn't continue to entertain you. I like it.

Would you be open to giving advice to a guy starting out, that is like you and primarily helps guys for free, but does run paid workshops in order to put bread on the table. I'm not looking to make a huge career out of being a PUA, but I've had requests from guys to run workshops since last October and although I've run about 6 or something paid ones, I'd like to increase the frequency, as well as the turn out. My intent is to run weekend workshops and ones during the holidays, in order to help pay my way through school, as getting a Master's, or possibly a PhD ain't cheap and repaying student loans for 10 years isn't ideal. I often think that guys aren't as interested in paying for my workshops, because I DO give advice for free and they think they can get enough from me that way, but I know I can help them improve dramatically more if we spend a full weekend on it.

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"The 'Brick Walls' are there to allow you to prove how badly you want something!" ~ Randy Pausch

~ Rye

Wow man I'm down to give anyone advice,

Just not sure what help you want...if it's not game related Pm me.



AFC Adam,

How's, it going Adam; I must admit I love the new direction of the forum, and appreciate your active hand in it

Q: How do you feel about bantering? I've found that I can banter my way through Attraction, and that it is possible to DHV: Confidence, Leadership, Ambition, Displays of excellence, Social intelligence, and Pre-selection/Social Proof passively.

Dear Jsquared,

Bantering works of course! It's a great tool and one I've used many many times. Though defining bantering is the hard part. it's one of those catch all words for a number of conversational skills.

Although you and I know exactly what you mean many people need it broken down in may steps such as being able to define the qualities you cover with it.

Does that make sense?

AFC Adam,

Aye, and yes I understand/agree. Offcourse, bantering isn't for everyone. It was just always my personal charm that I applied, and the "Attraction Switches" were better left to passive moods, for a girl to notice on her own without me spiking them.

Dear Jsquared.

Yeah as you can see you obviously "get it" the issue is getting across to others hence having to break everything down piece by piece.

Hope that helps,

AFC Adam,

Yes Adam

Quick question for you

Im starting College in the UK next week, its a fresh start, I would love to be one of them guys who gets ALL the girls, what do I need to do hahaa,

Totti;;

Dear Totti,

Buddy, I know exactly the kind of guys you mean, I always envied those cool guys at college.

OK, the key to being the fun guy...is to be fun.

What do I mean by this? Well you need to be the one creating the parties. I have a friend who spent the first 2 weeks of campus asking people if they knew where the party was as part of his openers...

The problem with this is he's lowering his value by trying to latch onto heir lives.

If you take the time to create an event. You can easily invite people along while they're still trying to sort out their own social lives, and before you know it, their social life involves you.

FYI my friend is now organising "thirsty thursdays" where a group of the collge peeps head out to a bar every thursday lunchtime to get wasted.

Hope this helps bro!


AFC Adam

Thanks Adam,,

Top Man

Totti;;

Dear Hobbit,

Love the name BTW. I refused to Learn the M3 model, to this day I don't know it.

I learnt game by actively going out there and seeing what worked. I wanted to understand why all the different models where still capable of success, yet they where all different, I theorised that they must all be doing he same thing, but hiding it so as to appear different in the market place ad make sales.

So I sat down with some Psychology books, and a few NLP experts and hammered things out.

I realised that alot of failed students couldn't get on with the M3 model. That is there are a number of other things that have to be in place for it to work, however people who don't have those qualities in place do get success.

I wanted to understand why.

Mine really isn't a model.

It's more a break down of the stages of attraction, rather than pick up.

We need comfort in order to sleep with someone. But something has to be the catalyst for us to make the decision to actually go through with it.

Value plays a big part but how do we convey it if we aren't rich? Qualification.

It's all simple really.

Just keeping things as basic as possible.

You really wanna get good?

Don't waste your money on products.

Go in field.

You'll work out the rest easy enough.

Does that help?

AFC Adam,