Hey guys, whats up?

I have actually been a member for a couple of months now, didnt have the time to formally introduce myself till now.

Im a student in the Netherlands. I am half greek, half dutch and lived in NYC for a couple of years.

I am a mix between a AFC and a Natural, in my time ive made out with countless chicks and fuck-closed a couple too. So its not like i dont get any or something like that. Its actually a thing that has been bothering me more and more the older I get, i didnt have probs like this when i was younger..

Opening and small talk always works and i end up having a pretty good convo, escelating to kino quite easily.
But afterwards I find it really hard to go in for the kiss. I tell myself that its too soon in the night blabla and save it for later. Even if I do see her later on she always remembers me and we continue the convo we had, usually without success though. The prob i keep on having is that i talk to dozens of hot girls a night but of those I just dont close the deal often enough and I think i could be doing much better. Its like I run into a wall at a crucial point.

Maybe i should be redefining my game.. I mean i am a pretty good looking guy (not as tall as i wouldve liked but ok) and im also pretty charismatic and I love charming them and flirting (half greek..) but maybe I should actually be negging and playing really hard to get.

Any thoughts?

I have some recent success stories that ill be posting later on, so please feel free to comment!


Kav

My best tips for kiss-closing would be to make sure you are escalating sexually, get the touching going, stop for a few seconds and stare into her eyes, keep the contact until she smiles and looks away or go for the kiss there. When you have 3 indicators of interest like she giggles and looks away, touches you, bites her lip or touches her hair, thats when you know you should have enough interest to go for the kiss.

Theres a few different ways of going for the kiss but a good direct one is once you have the 3 IOI's, put your fingers under her chin and pull her in. Or use the classic kino escalation routine from at her side pull her hair, smell/bite her neck then turn her head to yours and go for it. Or plain out say "Do you want to kiss me?" then if she says yes do it, if she says no neg with "Phew, thank god for that", or "Good because you're not my type" and keep talking about something else.

Seems like you have the approach and initial conversation down, just keep working on the initial attraction. Remember comfort comes next.

Good luck!

Thanks man,

Btw I ve been working on my own version of a kiss close routine which seems to be working till now. It still needs a bit of practise and it might not be optimal yet

Im not a fan of canned openers (and closes) or the more tacky routines. I find this is a more subtle way of escalation. Goes like this:

Use this after opening, a bit of charm and humor and when you are thinking that you want to kiss her and she seems interested.

The key is to start of funny and witty, getting her interested in what you have to offer and ending up serious, but passionate. think of the tango, or casanova. So the more tension builds the more you tighten your grip, slowly but subtelly pulling her in and then lowering your voice a bit and slowing your speech. Naturally, the subjects talked about are now more philosophical and deep, with a touch of eroticism. now talk directly into her ear touching cheeks (be careful: no spitting) and changing sides while looking her in the eyes. When youre ready just slide your cheek slowly down towards her mouth, pauze, eye contact and kiss.

I done well, it will be expected and innevitable that you WILL kiss her and she wont be caught by suprise.


Like i said, I havent used it extensivelly yet, but it looks promising. I would urge you to give me your thoughts and try it yourself..


Kav