hey Doc, nice gesture of u to create this thread... would you look at my issue, it's on the newbie thread, here's the link.. thanks!

girl-help-vt24906.html

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I know this might sound like a stupid question, but what exactely does a wingman do, can you give me some examples of when he can be useful, and things he should do too be better than your average wingman.

R1111

... how do you reach the point when they're comfortable with you and actually enjoying the conversation

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hey mate i have a question that i really need help with.....i will lay down the details ( which i hope are not so long that you wont finish reading) and hopefully you can point me in the right direction... here goes.


for the last two months i have been catching a bus into town every morning for work and i go to the same joint for an early morning coffee. now with in the first few days of me doing this i saw a HB 9 (ass and legs is a 12 haha)
any way i have seen her a few times every week since and had never even thought about trying to pick her up untill a month ago when i came across "The Game" and then found out one of my close mates( who now lives intersate ) is actually a PUA with mad skills. since then i have been thinking of how to open her and have never had the courage to do another day time sarge (my first was a but of a flop).
any who i hop of the bus the other day and i see her in front of me waiting to cross the road to go get a coffee and i see her blowing into her hands to warm them up (its been fucken freezing in the mornings latley) bingo i think, i'll hit her up about the weather and then go into something about coffee and just try to freestyle me way into a convo.
turns out i didn't need to open...heres what happend.

i order my coffee and step back to let her in to order hers. then....

her-(to the waitress) hows cold is this weather? ( then turns to me with a look to see if i agree)
me- i know, its ridiculous chills you right to the bone!
her- yeah its so cold you can feel it in your lungs...
me - yeah makes you feel like you have a cold every time you take a breath. haha
she then stands over next to me and i keep the convo going by saying
me- you ordered a latte didnt you?
her - yeah
me - i always get flat whites....iv never stepped out side my comfort zone and tried anything else...whats the difference between a latte and a flat white?
her-( kinda puzzeld look on her face) um im not sure..its just milk and coffee.... i think maybe the flat white has less fat in it...
me- ( firing an imaginary gun at her) ohhhhh see i knew i was onto somthing.
her- (laughs) yeah your onto something haha.
me - so your are you a coffee fiend? or do you just like the morning caffine hit?
her -(laughs) no i drink heaps of coffee
me- see i used to be just a morning coffe man, but then i started smashing them all the time, but i found i was way to wired all day...now i just stick to the morning boost and leave it at that.
we talk a bit more about coffe then i ask her where she works and we fluff for a bit about why i catch thee bus ( lost my drivers license) and why she does ( just dosent drive).
then our coffees are ready so i take mine away to put lid on it and in doing so knock about twenty lids onto the floor...
me- wicked
her- dont worry ive done that before.
me- well im glad, now i dont feel as bad.
she walks past me to leave
her- have a good one.
me- yeah you too, nice meeting you.
she leaves, i pick up the lids and leave as well..........




i was confident in the way i spoke and had good eye contact with her through out the verbal exchange.
my question is this.... what is my next step... im bound to see her again next week... i've put in some good ground work and she gave me a couple of IOI'S, but i'm not sure on weather to keep putting in more ground work or to start another convo with her and then ask her if she wants to get a coffee with me sometime.... any help you could give me would be greatly appreciated.

Be great if I can get your advice on this one doc..

Link below:

here-vp142214.html#142214

In all my of sets up to now, I've managed to open, win over the group, make the target laugh, be the leader of the group, etc. and I can tell my target thinks I'm a funny/good guy/intelligent/wellgroomed/relatable/etc. guy. However, it never feels like they actually want me for a relationship. How do I get my targets to chase me?

Doc,

Help me out please!

long post man ha... good luck

Ok so heres whats up;

My roommate has a group of friends that are all girls and I have hung out with him and them say 10 times over the past year… I would say I am ok friends with them. Anyways so we were at a party the other night and I was talking with one of the girls, HB9. A few minutes later her friend came up to me saying the HB9 thinks I look really good tonight. I figured I was set right!? Also as a side note I should also mention is this girl (HB9) is having boyfriend issues (looks like they’re breaking up) and has been kind of down all night.. if that makes any difference.

Anyways after I heard this I went up to their little group, kinoed the HB9, showed DOHV, and flirted with her friends. I got little to no response or IOI’s. I was also later told that night that I should/ can hook up with the girl however I felt nothing from her.

Ok so I was just looking for what I did wrong and some pointers for the next time I see her so maybe I get some IOI’s which is something she apparently has but is not showing.

Thanks as always.

Im 28 from california usa. I have an online profile for a datng site. 99% of the time I send and instant message i never get a response. I usually open with a khaki opener, or cocky funny opener and still nothing. What is the problem? As far as looks go I have been told I look like a surfer, i have long blond hair(dyed) and clean shaven. heres what my profile says

Interests Music martial arts comedy clubs
pool guitars stilettos
About Me Im a laid back individual with a sense of humor. I like to joke around. i work full time in retail as a supervisor.
First Date/First time: I dont like dates really, just something simple. talk get to know eachother.

Doc,

If you only new how many great looking girls are in my class or walk by we each and everyday at FSU campus you might thinks its heaven or whatever is better than heaven. I have a problem though, I just never find the right thing to say. They are busy trying to go to the next class, do they want to be approached by me when they are briskly walking from one class to another? and if so how do I get their attention long enough to get the digits? Any suggestions, negs, sly words, tools, mind games on how to be a predator for these sweet little bunnies?

Doktor.
I posted this on the newbie questions section but i also need some professional help too.Please help me!!

`guys i need some help here!!

in an international 3 days meeting,i want to f-close at least 2-3 people.
those meetings are like seminars during the days and bar/night club game at night.

men are the majority-most them are AFC of course- but everybody
is trying hard.They try everything on the girls.

What should be my approach in such an event?Should I be the Alpha
Male of the group before playing the game with a girl individually?Then
I can get some social proof.How I am going to provide this?

and should i directly go to the hb10 of the group or should I wait for
others to crash and burn first?

giving a room party is a good thing or will it look like i am looking for social proof?

ideas,ideas,ideas pls.give me some silly ones too.
i need tons of ideas. this is really my sticking point and I ll do whatever it takes to fix it.Ask for further information if you need.

Thanks a lot!!!`

im new to this, im really interested in all aspects of social dynamics but it seems i get anxiety or somethin when i am about to approach, do you have any pointers