Hello friends,

I recently made a decisions to go sober after a huge bender and its put a few things in perspective..

First of all, I've noticed that HB's are acting a lot warmer and open to me in the passing world. At the gym this girl who had acted a little avoidant of me just walked up to me and reponded with a 'better now' to my question of 'how you doing?' BUT.. When she found out that I've stopped drinking for a week (at least) she was put off by it..

This is why there is so much devoted to picking up chicks, because they are walking contradictions!

Girls don't like drunken guys, but then go out and get wasted and have the craziest sex ever with a stranger (I know I've been that stranger a couple)!

So.. What's the deal with girls and alcohol???

All this pick up material online says don't drink when you go out because girls like that.. But then girls that go out definitely do drink (at least in this city) and even if they like that you don't drink in how it makes them feel from you, they don't like it when any attention is VERBALLY brought to the fact that you're not drinking?

So from a newly sober individual, I have to ask.. If not drinking is better for my game with girls, awesome.. How?

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'you ever dance with the devil in the pale moonlight' 'see ya around kid'

'high virtue is nonvirtuous'

I don't know about the whole reason why girls get drunk and sleep with guys. Guess they just think it's fun/adventurous?

If someone negs you about not drinking the tell them to buy you a drink. You can still drink when sarging just don't get drunk (and don't buy your own drinks

I think the message the material is trying to get across is more don't get wasted. But it is okay to have a drink or two.

As far as girls being more open to a guy that drinks verses one that doesn't. I say that depends on the type of girl you run across. As some girls think drinking and getting wasted is fun, while others don't.

Girls love sex. Girls hate the pressure society puts on them to be "good girls" that aren't promiscuous. Alcohol gives you an excuse to shed the burden of responsibility. Girls drink so they can have sex while avoiding some blame.

Men are leaders and women count on sexworthy men to lead an interaction. This means, as a sexworthy man, taking responsibility is a must. Alcohol sheds the burden of responsibility.

However, if you're both drunk, it doesn't really make a difference. The lose/lose comes in when you're drunk and she's not.

I think the emphasis on not drinking is more related to the fact that it clouds you mind and alters your reactions, not that it makes women like you any better. Women generally don't have any issue with a guy that has a few drinks, just as long as he doesn't become a drunken fool, while they on the other hand have no issues with becoming one (women love their double standards).

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Usualy when I go to a party, or the club I won't drink. If I do, I take a fancy-schmancy cosmo or a marguerita, or a shooter with my friends, just for fun. You musn't be drinking for someone's approval, even a HB's approval. she need your approval, you don't need hers cause you the boss! You do it cause you want a drink or don't because you're not feeling a drink.
Drinking can help but also be dangerous: If you drink and lose your inhibitions and notice the way you do things without inhibitions), you can then do it without alcohol. But if you're using it as a tool to be able to approach women, then you're really not helping youself!
In psycology they teach that alcohol used as a tool the become better or less shy increases the odds of becoming alcoholic.
But it's irrelevant what they think about you drinking or not. It's out of your reality, think of it! Is she influencing you to drink? or are you making the decisions? Your reality is bigger than hers, and if it really is then she will accept no problem

Chris, I know exactly what you are talking about.

I was the president of my fraternity for a year and with all the work I had going (if you do your job right it is a LOT of work), sometimes I couldn't afford to drink. Also I found that when I drank it really crippled my athletic abilities the next day for any sports. Imagine that a frat president that's not drinking!!!

To further complicate things the next year I got diagnosed as having Late Stage Lyme Disease and had to start taking a whole slew of antibiotics and other crazy pills that can jeapordize your life if you drink with them. For a long time I just wouldn't go out because people - WOMEN ESPECIALLY would trash talk me for not drinking and I'd eventually get upset, excuse myself and leave.

It took some time for me to adapt and realize this but people criticize you for not drinking because it actually makes them feel uncomfortable, so they project thier discomfort onto you.

I haven't drank for over a year, but I still go to bars and go out with friends. House parties are a bit more difficult - i tend to avoid those.

The key is that you have to drink something. Water is boring and everyone knows you're drinking it BUT if you drink a Coke or better yet a tonic water (my personal fav) most people won't even say anything. In fact most people assume I'm drinking a gin and tonic or a vodka tonic. Plus tonic water is usually free for Designated Drivers (also a very good DHV if people ask why you're not drinking).

You could also say you're allergic to alcohol (yes there is such a thing) in which case people will totally understand. Could be a great conversation starter actually.

Goodluck! and believe me you'll see much bigger results at the gym without alcohol taking an active role in your life

CPT

Or you can say you are prone to alcoholism. Which is the case for me. So I tend to do the coke routine and as you mention no one says anything.

Like they said in "The Game" Alcohol doesn't make people do want they didn't want to do, It enables them do what they really wanted to do but never had the balls/moralles to do.

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yeah, i totally agree with the comments about alcohol taking the blame for chicks. I just spoke to a chick the other day who told me she couldn't go 24 hours without drinking and definitely was promiscuous (also, liked me in my sober state then put me off when i tried to number close her, cause i don't drink).

It's a conflict between two pick up principles, i beleive.

Social status: Girls rarely act against social favor and to not drink in the state that has the largest number of microbreweries in the country is definitely out of that favor. That's why amoging and shit like that works to get girls, you basically overtly establish higher status in front of girls. You could be an heir to a fortune and have the nicest clothes, nicest body, biggest dick, and some guy who's completely the opposite can take girls from you so long as they can amog you out. It's dumbfounding to me, but that's why I'm a dude and not a chick (or a gay dood)

but also, when you don't drink you are demonstrating higher value because you are showing the alpha male behavior...

Being in control because alcohol definitely takes that away
Taking responsibility
Acting independently, not conforming
Not caring what people think, because few people who drink would ever even consider not doing it simply because that would make them different


so....


the key to capitalize on not drinking could be to go out and not draw attention to the fact that your not drinking like with the coke or tonic water. But if you're not drinking and you go out to drinking spots (which most people do) then most likely a girl you pick up will be drinking which is then a catch 22.. she's more likely to go home with you and you're a scumbag for bagging a drunk chick sober...

Any thoughts... to win at this game you pretty much have to minimize the social value lost in not drinking and maximize the alpha value gained. Any thoughts?

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'you ever dance with the devil in the pale moonlight' 'see ya around kid'

'high virtue is nonvirtuous'

Well this is my first post hopefully it helps:

I don't drink at all. No matter what I just gave it up. And since then I realized women definately look at you differently because of this. But the biggest thing I found is that, if you look at the fact that your not drinking as a negative thing, that it normally gets portrayed that way. I always make it seem alot more then it is.

Caught without a drink: Its my turn this weekend to be DD( dont make it sound like a boring thing, make something intresting out of it).

Taking shots: If you happen to order just ask the bartender to make one a virgin.( Im a bartender, you wouldnt beleive that amount of ppl who try to act like their drinking when their really not).

Tonic and Lime: Keep this drink with you, its saves alot of hassling, ppl will always assume. If a girl takes a sip and realizes its non-alcoholic, tell her your friend who bought it for you was a cheap shit and ask her if she wants her to buy you a drink).

Last Resort: Allergic to alcohol and boring women. Ones real the other is a joke, ask her if she wants to buy you a drink. If shes smart she'll get it.

If the people you hang with or try to hook up with treat you different because you dont drink, than they are tools. Seriously. Its very respectful what you are doing. It doenst mean you dont want to go out and have a good time.

When I go out and tell the people im hanging with Im not drinking, they look at me like WTF? Why not? I just say, cause eventually, i gotta get home tonite. The reason they want you to drink (as someone stated above) is because they do not want to feel uncomfortable. Its almost like you are better than them in that situation. Because then they feel like alcoholics.

If you say you are alergic to alcohol, that is code that you are an alcoholic. So you can say that... i dunno...

Good Luck bro

CK

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The thing is... I don't really know if I want to stay completely sober or not. Its definitely different, I've drank nearly every day since college and alcohol definitely effects your consciousness.. I literally could feel my nervous system coming back on the first couple days and now all the unpleasant feelings that alcohol just zaps out of your awareness are back...

But

I have no moral objection to alcohol

I have had some of the best and most spontaneous times while drinking, including some of my best pick ups.

And some of the best were in the last couple months

I was picking up strippers (up until I was leaving a club late and whitnessed a stripper totally get pimped out to some dude; I was doing it the no money pick up artist way)

I was playing Journeys greatest hits daily 'for the ladies', and actually, most of the girls were loving it

BUT

Dudes are busting my balls constantly now because after working out all the time and also being tall, all their girls are looking at me. They're even making up shit just to 'beat me' even though I could care less whether they like me or not.

A drunken idiot also makes a good mark too, even if girls like drunken idiots. In my sober state, I see how so many people took advantage of my drunkeness. The way guys do it is by AMOGing you, drunkenness makes you more AMOGable.

Also, I spent so much money and just didn't give a fuck, and didn't think anything was wrong. Alll this occurred to me after I stopped...

BUT

Bottom line is the game. If not drinking is going to limit my chances with women or make me a nice guy in their eyes, then ill drink. I happen to like drinking. I happen to be gifted with a powerful mind however, and the major pitfall of drinking for me has been that it gives away that power, literally. I've had great times but they're all stupid.

I want to know... How can I not drink and make my game stronger, clever pick ups instead of stupid ones. I guess I want to play with fire here...

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'you ever dance with the devil in the pale moonlight' 'see ya around kid'

'high virtue is nonvirtuous'

Uh? How is not drinking showing alpha male behavior?

By working on your inner game.

Girls like to hook up when they're drunk because it gives them plausable deniability. The more they can rationalize the sequence "i was drinking, I met this guy, and one thing led to another...blahblahblah," the more she feels she isn't responsible for her actions. They can always blame it on the booze. If you are in the college scene, this is an all too familiar occurance. It is also nearly guaranteed that she will get buyers remorse afterwards. Seldomly does this occurance result in anything more than a one night stand. I had this happen to me, and when I saw the girl at a party a couple months later, she was hanging out with the rest of her sorority sisters, she avoided me, because she didn't want to appear to be a slut.

Side note: If they are especially promiscuous when drunk, maybe you should toy with the notion that this girl is a whore who is seeking validation. Hooking up with such a girl could end up being a huge DLV.

At any rate, it's a classic case of fools mate.

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