OK i have been reading a lot of replys and, what i have to say from my experiences is that most girls don't like compliments unless they are not that hot, or you are a pretty boy also. If you are a average looking guy this will not work, unless you know that the girl is in to you, then you probably could pull something like this off.

I really like the second one tho, very original in a way it is undeniable.

The "who lies more" opener is kinda dorky IMO. Ive never used thats because i feel its to lame for my persona.

I think there is a better version of this opener

hey! you are the only girl in this club that has caught my attention. don't get me wrong, you are cute but it's not that.. are you friendly or it's just about looks?

then you proceed with your game but DELIVERY IS CRUCIAL.

wow dude that is possibly the worst "opener" i have ever heard........ there are so many things wrong with that..............

wow dude that is possibly the worst "opener" i have ever heard........ there are so many things wrong with that..............

I was in a club yesterday, and I used this one:

I walked up straight to a ten and was like

I'm fuqin drunk , but I still can see that you def not my type

but you got something that made me walk to you...

then you gotta wait short and turn away, in 99 % the girl will hold you back

then you turn to her and say only : I wanna dance, but im sure you not a good dancer so I gotta go.

in 99´% the girl will say summin like: no wait I proof you or no lets dance or summin

I tried this one 1000 times and , I picked up many many 10's with that

if the girl say summin like, who da hell you think you are

then you gotta be cocky and only say, the one boy who was not afraif of you cocky attitude and the same one which you find attraktiv

then you got her ... its simple believe me

but only in 99% sum girls are to cocky , no matter what

With the first opener, it relies on your looks too much. If you are an attractive guy and it is said with confidence, it will most likely work well. However, if you aren't the most handsome of guys, she will probably either feel sorry for you (thus a lower status) and most likely not want to dance and politely decline. If I was asked by any girl i didn't know other than a HB, I would feel the same way and politely decline.

yeah, first line is way too over the top nice guy.

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isn't that kind of opener more AFC?

99% OF THE TIME ............ THIS OPENER ASSUMES THE GIRL IS ATRCTED TO YOU ENOUGH TO JUST DANCE WITH YOU... IF ITS LIKE THAT YOU CAN PRACTICLY OPEN WITH ANYTHING .........

It is just my opinion, but telling a girl right off the bat that she is so beautiful, and complementing her in different ways without her earning your respect what so ever, it seems to go against what every main PUA talks about. you can definately land 7's with that, but you could say anything...hitting on 9's and 10's is a whole different game.

I think this is a good opener if you want to hit on a HB that has probably been getting hit on all night because she is so "beautiful"....something like this:

*walk up to her, (this is in a cocky funny attitude)*
Me: Hi! Alright...well I made a bet with my friend...and he told me that if i lost I would have to approach the most beautiful girl in the bar.....(pause) So I was wondering if you could help me pick out the hottest girl in here?

This is always a funny one because they assume you lost your bet and you "think" she is the hottest girl, until you are just asking her for help. there are a lot of different avenues to go from there...

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the first one can work... but def not 99% of the time... i agree with watever poster said that if u are a good-lookin guy yourself it can work if said w/ great confidence... ive actually used that opener before at clubs and parties, and it works to get their attention and have them talk to u but if the girl really is that fine it almost always gives them the power cuz now they know u think they are the shit and it makes the game a lil harder... if u compliment them on their looks w/ sumthin a lil less over the top i think it works a lil bit better, but still a solid opener if u have the balls to use it

Ok, I hate to fuel this thread with this opener but I now have some infield experience from it and want to clear it up incase there was any question. I was in a set with 4 girls and some dude rolls up and uses this line on the tall blond in the set. "I just wanted to tell you, you are the most gorgeous girl I've seen all night" then did a roll off, waited a sec and walked away. The girl goes "wow that was creepy." He telegraphed too much interest and complimented her on something she hears all the damn time.

Anyway I even felt the guy was creepy using it but I told them I would be back and went after the guy to see where he got it. The guy delivered the line well. He seemed almost non needy and like he just wanted to make a statement. Anyway he learned it from another AFC and said its a numbers thing. He will say it to around 40 girls a night and 2 or so will bite and he can have a conversation with them. I assume the ones that bite have serious problems or are -HB6.

From what I understood I thought you were to never compliment a HB on her beauty because then you would be just like every other guy she see's and what attracts a woman is a man who is difference. Who's impressed by her beauty and not only looks past her beauty, but actually BUSTs her balls. lol she wonders what makes you different from every other guy that walks by impressed by her beauty. With that said, i've never did that so i wouldn't know if it works. I've been trying other openers that don't compliment. Maybe I could give it a shot and see how it works. what do i have to lose? lol

Well I dont agree with you.
You see , M3 method with all those indirect approaches has a goal , to help us develop confidence and most importantly flirting. It becomes something natural to you, after a while using M3 with all that indirect approaches and 7hour rule, you realize that you can do it faster, because its not the looks that help you with 6,7,8,9 and 10's , it's that energy you are glowing with does. Dont accept all of this for granted, develop it , callibrate it to you.