Hi All,

I'm new here but this has been bugging me for a while and I need some help. So here is the story:

I work in a camp job where it is 90% sausage. I met this girl about 5 months ago and we started hanging out, I had little expectations because, well, she has 89.99% of other guys to possibly pick from and she is pretty smokin. Well we end up hitting it off and hook up for a few weeks. As it is a camp job we spend a lot of time together, but because it is a work deal it got complicated and we broke it off, but stayed friends.

She got another boyfriend about a week later, no big deal we still hung out a lot, and I started seeing other people too. Well over the last 4 months we have become really close and realized how much we have in common and I realize how much I dig this girl.

I started making my move again 3 weeks ago, and after 2 weeks we had slept together again, she breaks up with her boyfriend, and everything rocks.

Then....we spent a week apart as I was on a business trip, and I come back and suddenly we are 'just friends' again. We still hang out all the time but she isn't accepting any of my advances! We start making out and she stops and says 'I don't know about this' What the hell!! She flirts with me and comes to sleep in my bed (no sex since I got back) but as soon as I start getting sexual with her its walls up.

I really don't understand how I ended up leaning over the ljbf cliff, but here I am and I need to back off quick! What should I do!?

I know it's already a long shot but I think I can salvage it, the only reason being because we have slept together already, numerous times, and I know she finds me attractive. I just need some outside help. So before anyone posts the inevitable 'there is no way out of the ljbf zone' know that I've read it all before and have been studying this PUA stuff for about a year.

Thanks for your comments/help.

-K

She's using you as a second string boyfriend. She wants all the attention a boyfriend would give her without having to be your girlfriend. I've had this happen to me before.

Push her into the LJBF zone explicitly before she implicitly eases you into it. Don't call her - wait for her to call you.

Don't invite her over. Wait for her to ask if she can come. The next time you sleep in a bed together be very uncomfortable. Don't cuddle with her and look as distant as possible. She'll probably ask you what's wrong.

Tell her you've been thinking and have come to the conclusion that it's best if you two are just friends and don't do the whole sleeping over thing.

Now she'll probably ask you why you've come to this conclusion. At this point I'm just making shit up and I don't know how well it will work so use it at your own risk. You could say - "Well, I've been reading about all these different ways to make a girl orgasm and I really want to try them out."

I could anticipate her saying "well why don't you try them out on me?". Your response should be, "why don't you make me".

Here she will probably get pissed off and leave, or she'll jump on you like there's no tomorrow. Either way you're out of the LJBF zone.

Also see this link to learn some cool new stuff so you'll be telling the truth.

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Goodluck and let us know how it goes

CPT

Alright so I went over to her place to watch a movie last night. I was distant most of the night, when she tried to cuddle I didn't submit, when she wanted to go under the covers I stayed out. It was like that most of the night.

I did throw her a few bones though, when she started flirting by trying to tickle me I grabbed her and playfully bit her neck, wispering in her ear not to start unless she was prepared to finish.....she giggled, but pulled away. So I turned on the light and started screwing around with my laptop.

After the movie we chatted a bit and I busted out the whole orgasm thing....she giggled.....I told her if she was a good girl I'd try it out with her.....she giggled.....I turned on the light and started to put my stuff away.

Well, after all that, I got the same response I have for the last week, humming and hawwing and walls. So I left. She hasn't talked to me since, which is different because usually she pounds about 30 text msg's a day over.

So thats that I suppose, it was worth a try. I succumb to oneitis I think...but its a releif to feel done and I'm ready to move on.

Thanks anyways for your help callmecaptain.

It's not necessarily a bad thing that she hasn't called you. Maybe she's taking time to process her thoughts.

In the mean time maybe you could work on yout PU skills and go sarge a bit to get your mind off of stuff.

Regardless man, be the shit - because you are the shit

CPT

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Another update, after not speaking much for two days she invited me over last night at 11:30. I work at 5 am so I was hesitant, but I went. I got there and she was already in bed.

I crawled in and we talked for a while, I tried a few new things I had learned including a cool hypnosis trick from my childhood, with a little twist.

I had her lay on her back and close her eyes.
"I want you to see yourself floating on a cloud, light as air. Everything you feel weighing you down is lifted from your body, from your mind."
This relaxes her
"I float up to you, enter your slumber, I am the sand man"
"Everywhere I touch you I fill your body with sand. This sand slowly ways you down"
*touch her gently all over*
"The sand weighs you down wherever it goes (blah blah)"
"Now sit up!"
She sits up and, well, she can't cause she feels weighed down, cool mind trick. There was a lot more involved but you get the idea.

It was totally improve because I was trying to make it sexy. I know its corny and probably not the best moment to pull this out but she enjoyed it and it loosened her up a bit. I think it would work well to fight LMR, but I'll have to work on making it more erotic.

So that seemed to work well enough to have sex. It was a major step, for myself anyways, because I didn't think I would salvage it. We'll see what happens from here.

Thanks for the advice CPT!

-K

Hey man, I'm glad to hear things are working out for you.

That's awesome!

CPT

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