*Gives the dramatic hamster-look*

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I totally agree with you I find myself to be more happier and better when i dont masterbate then when i do.

good post. one thing i think u missed though, is that watching porn and masturbating effects ur carnal instincts. Even before doing this PUA stuff, we all had some idea of what IOI's are (maybe not a wealth of knowledge but at least some ideas). Ur ability to pick them up and react effectively suffers when you fap.

well, i think masturbation helps with lowering stress, but u guys do have a point.

I agree

Actually, sex isn't really a need. I know that people talk about "blue balls" or how if a man is aroused he must have an outlet or his health will be in danger, but I've never seen anything to prove it. I think wanting sex is the strongest DESIRE any human can have but it can't be called a legitimate need for one's own health. If it was there'd be a lot of dead nuns and priests out there.

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totally agree, found that masturbation/porn makes you complacent all the while wastes time. but entertaining nonetheless

I have never masturbated because i don't see the point. So i don't really know hot it messes up your game

It kills your game because you end up longing for porn fantasies and feeling frustrated that you can't get REAL women in REAL life.

Porn is simply a way to make money off of needy guys that can't get the REAL THING.

Plus masturbation depletes your testosterone and with that you lose interest in sex and this has been proven to WRECK a guy's game. Your dick has more power (psychologically, subconsciously) than most guys know, so use that power carefully.

masturbation is perfectly normal and it's better if you do it, without looking at porn and just by your own mind. i read in a article somewhere.

I totally disagree. I've discussed in another thread about how getting laid on regular basis make's your game better. It releases endorphines which makes you more calm, confident and happy. It's almost the same with masturbation, you get non-horny in the HB's eyes and that's pure gold.

Try not to masturbate for a month (when you're used to doing it) and go out and NOT think of sex/pussy/boobs... It won't be easy. So to improve your game, smack the dolphin, or have sex a few hours before you start partying. It will improve your game. Even though you're a PUA, you'll be so horny that it will show on your body language!

I just quit masterbating cold turkey. Sure it was addicting but as soon as you start thinking about it, immediatly do something else. Like for example when i started looking at porn on the internet, i would switch to the forum and just start reading some article.

Guys, I agree with most of the posts here.

Go read the chapter on "Sex Transmutation" in Napoleon Hill's classic - Think and Grow Rich.

Everything in moderation. Too much jacking on the little one is going to totally waste your sex energy...As Mystery suggested, try it once a week. I don't recommend eliminating it, as you need it in constant flow, but once or twice a week is good.

I'm only starting to cut down. and I am feeling a lot better for it.. That sex energy inside me makes me feel more alpha, which makes it eeasier for me to approach women, work on my business more productively, be more social, etc etc....

Plus, if your not getting regular sex, which happens from time to time, that time and day you are mean't to crack one off will be something to look forward to... but be careful, you'll cum like a bloody whale!!!

ok no offense to 90% of the guys posting here but I'm going to offend you...

WHAT A CROCK OF SHIT!

When you look at porn, you are not 'objectifying women.' There are NO women involved, its you and a computer generated image! It does not talk to you, it does not have feelings, emotions, needs, interests, or desires.. It is simply a means to explore and fulfill sexual fantasy.

Which leads you to the next, and most important point. ITS FANTASY. There is a HUUUUGE difference between fantasy, and real life. If you cant draw the distinction, then yeah, you probably shouldn't be watching porn -or violent tv programs for that matter, which are far, far worse... talk about "objectifying" all of humanity.

But that distinction, it does have a blurred line. It does wrap over into who you really are to some extent. You can fantasy about strange things, get off on it, even if you wouldnt do it in real life. That is ok. That is personal exploration. But if all you fantasize about is hurtful things, then yeah, you are probably a hurtful person in real life as well.. which is too bad.

Myself, I LOVE porn. Always have. I can wank 20 times a day (and often do) to all kinds of kinky different shit. It doesn't affect me in the slightest in my dealings with the real world. Do I expect, or need, women to fulfill that same fantasy? No. Do I perv out on girls on dates? No. Am I any less caring, sensative, or playful as a human being? Certainly not. I just have a giant libido, and find porn to be an immensely pleasurable release. Its even a learning mechanism. Can you make a girl gush all over your face? I can. Learned it in part from watching porn.

As for my game? Women find me charming, attractive, outgoing, humorous, adventurous... the list goes on. I don't get tired.. i don't lose energy, I dont negatively effect my attitudes and all that BS. I am consistantly successful with women. Men come to me and ask me how I do it. The answer has NOTHING to do with porn, either constructively or negatively. I simply have always been fascinated by women and have spent most of my life studying them. Porn is just a facet of that fascination.

And as for the woman's stance on porn? They are starring in it!! There are millions of women who are probably twice as "sexually depraved" as you are. You are probably boring SHIT to them in bed, they want to be filled up and fucked as much as you want to fill them and fuck them. And seriously, that first comment about why women have one night stands? Totally belies your ignorance of the female, my man. Women constantly have one night stands. They cheat on their lovers. They fantasize. They even watch porn! And they do it for the same kind of reasons men do. Mostly, because they like it, it turns them on, they want to do it, it turns them on.

You all need to drop your misconceived judgements about women, sex, porn, the lot... Learn that they are your equals, understand what that actually means, and be ready to deal with the consequences, because most likely you will feel threatened by it, judging by the sophomoric attitudes on this thread... Most of this thread is SO fucking AFC, especially the first post.

GROW UP!

But one last thing. I dont watch hurtful messed up shit. I dont like this new crap coming out of the states that just shows women being slapped around, spit on, called sluts and bitches (god some of the language just on this forum), gagged on cock, whatever. I find that distasteful, it doesnt match my personality or the way i want to fantasize about women, and if I saw too much of it, I would worry about myself. There is a line between fantasy and reality, but it is blurred as your fantasies are an extension of yourself. I like to fantasize about pleasing women, and being pleased by them. If you fantasize about fucked up shit, about hurting women, then you are probably are a fucked up person and should try and heal yourself before you do anybody any harm. Because if you drag that fantasy into the real worl, not just during actual sex with women, but in how you talk about them, how you think of them, how you interact with them, then yeah you are objectifying women and that is out of balance.

well said!
I think if you have a good game, if you are getting regular, proper sex, watching porn once in a while, specially together with your partner, can spice up your sex life a bit. However, when you are alone, you are not getting almost no sex, watching porn will only make you go bitter about your whole life situation. I am not just saying this out of the blue, but I have used porn as a pacifier for many years, specially when things go wrong with a women. I used to come home after an unsucessful date or night out and spend hours watching porn. Then I used to feel like shit for a week or so after that because that kinda cements a conclusion of something like "this is what you deserve. you deserve to watch, not to be part of the fun".

but i think masturbation, without porn, is completely healthy and quite relaxing if you do it with a mind set of just enjoying yourself, instead of using it as an escape from boredom or failure with women (also coming from someone who once up on a time jerked off up to 5 times a day:-) )