You'll get a lot more replies on the subject if you post a new topic in the newbie lounge, but I'll answer you here anyways.

Yes, totally approach us at the gym, usually guys are feeling good, powerful and in control when working out, so we'll be comfortable (self conscious people won't be, but they won't be comfortable no matter what and it will be even more apparent there, so this weeds them out fast for you). Just remember that working out means sweat and sweat means he's not gonna smell like lilacs, so if you can't deal with that, then it's gonna make it hard, because you're gonna want to initiate some kino in order to show him that you are interested and not just being chatty.

To not intimidate a guy, don't square right up to him, act a little coy by keeping your body slightly turned and even do a "body rock" here and there. Don't speak super fast, it panics us by making us afraid we're gonna miss something important and then we aren't paying attention to anything aside from trying to catch your words, it makes for a shitty interaction (this applies to guys just as much as girls, although for different reasons I believe). Kino (touch) is key; without touching him, he has no clue whether you are interested in him or are just being friendly, but by touching him, he will get the hint and turn onto it.

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"The 'Brick Walls' are there to allow you to prove how badly you want something!" ~ Randy Pausch

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thanks man. good to know.

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im just a girl, youre just a boy...can i make it any more obvious.....cliche yes..but o so true

I have to second Zip's concern, simply being a woman doesn't mean that you know the dynamics behind social interaction. Hopefully you prove me wrong, but that comment about being a hopeless romantic just waved some huge red warning flags for me.

For a long time, most of my friends have been (and still are) girls and I spend a lot of time with them. And it took me an awfully long time to understand that the things women say they want aren't on the list of things that really attract them.

Another thing that girls always fail to understand, is that if you actually like a guy, then don't sit around waiting and hoping that dropping hints is gonna get him to make a move. If you are interested in him, then please PLEASE let him know by asking for his number, giving yours and/or making plans to get together again. Sure, we know you want us to be "the man", but sometimes our heads aren't in the right place and we don't notice your intent, so if you don't want to miss out on a good opportunity, then feel responsible for how things are gonna turn out and don't place it all on him.

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"The 'Brick Walls' are there to allow you to prove how badly you want something!" ~ Randy Pausch

~ Rye

Aww, Zip....I think as long as you know basic terminology and have read some basic material, then the rest will come on it's own..besides, it doesn't take a rocket scientist does it; to learn PU and it's scientific view and formulas..............any females opinion should be appreciated.Don't you think?

When did you need to have qualifications to have an opinion anyways? And isn't your advice an opinion, just like everyone elses?hmmm

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well thank you paramour. im just offering my help guys or opinion. im not saying im one of you or whatever. just a girl. if you dont want my opinion then i wont give it. but i know that some of the guys on here do. so id apreciate if you all dont rag on me about being a female and coming here thinking im the shit. i never said that

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im just a girl, youre just a boy...can i make it any more obvious.....cliche yes..but o so true

Par, haven't seen you around in a while. I miss having you as a consistent presence on the forum.

Let's remember that's the standard message I post for all women coming here saying "I'm here for advice." Mine is a nice message, and it doesn't discount anyone's right to give their opinion. All it really says is, "Stick around, learn a bit, help us out in the process, become part of the forum, don't be an asshole."

Again, friendofafriend, standard message. I'm not going to say again how welcome you are, how you should prove me wrong, how I'm rooting for you, how I'm offering my assistance if anyone gives you shit.

Everyone, let's get back on track with welcoming her. Again, the more quality PEOPLE (not just guys or girls) the better.

Let's not hijack this thread. I'll post a new topic in the lounge and link back to it.

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- Zip

To suggest gaming is for hurting girls is like saying kick boxing is for assaulting strangers on the street. Of course it's easier to do some things if you've got the right tools, but the intent comes from the people involved, not the techniques as such. Knowledge is power. You can use it for good or bad. The people using game to deliberatly hurt girls probably wasn't very nice people to begin with. I for one live by a 'do good, feel good' type of creed. That's not to say I haven't hurt a few girls in my days. I have. But at least learning to game teaches me more about HOW these things happen, and thus I hope to get better at avoiding them (while also having more fun along the way)

But hey, welcome.. another point of view is always appreciated

Uneducated opinions make the US president's office look bad.
They also throw AFCs down the ladder into the wbAFC abyss lol.
Eh... I'm fine with taking the lead, myself. A girl sitting around doing nothing except dropping hints is all I need. I've actually been turned off by girls who were too forward before.

Don't be putting the burden of leadership on the ladies, now.

On-topic stuff:
Welcome to PUAF!

Thank you Chief, you took the words straight out of my mouth, how did you do that?

To those women that have ever dated, fucked, been in relationshipos, or even dealt with a man at all.....then you can put in your 2 cents....because in the end, that is all you guys do is give off an occurance that has happened that you have experienced or someone else has experienced.....for example: the mystery method...they call this a method for a reason...it may work for you but not the same weay it did for mystery, right.......but like Zip sasid...let's not get off track.

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Hey Zip means nothing personal by it...he sent me the same message when i first started on here. Glad to have another girl on board (i was beginning to think i was the only one!)

And I think it is good to have some girls on here. I know all the guys aren't here soley to "game" girls...well kinda but not really haha. I think this site teaches you guys a lot more than just gaming. It teaches confidence and some tricks bc us girls can be tricky no doubt...so my suggestion is to consider our female perspective but don't be afraid to call us on our opinions and make us defend them cause every girl is different.

psssst..... Zip is a female
She owns probably the single most popular thread on the forums.

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success is my only mother fucking option, failure is not.

back on track, ladies and gentlemen.

Bonita and FriendofaFriend, meet Par.

She is a senior member of the forum, and a member of the PUAF.com Nashville meetup. I had spoken with her many times before we met, and many times after. Mucho respect.

I'd suggest both of you girls hunt around the forum and offer/ask advice on things you are interested in. After a while, we can talk about opening a thread/section for you (if things go well.)

I'm on your side, remember. But I'm also on the forum's side, that's my job
Glad we got some womens in the hizzle. Let's hope yall stick around. Many don't.

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Thanks and sorry about that Zip...the picture threw me off because there is a guy and a girl in it so I just assumed you were a guy. But now that i know I will surely not make that mistake again. Don't know why I am saying that in this thread....but thanks Chino Kapone and Zip i'll be keeping an eye for your messages as well!

yeah, this is definitely true with most guys i think. Friend, i mean if you approach, hopefully the guy will hold up his end of the initial conversation as well....not make you do all the work. if you chat with him for a minute or two, i imagine most guys would give out their number if you asked. personally, i'd be thrilled if i got approached by a girl at the gym