Normally I hate these depressing self-hate rants but here's mine with some added questions.

Here's the deal, got out of a 2- 2 1/2 month long STR, during that relationship, although I didn't consider myself taken I didn't sarge at all, (I think maybe once for half an hour possibly) or get a chance to talk to new people in a social situation. My social life outside that STR was practically nil.

Result: my game has plummetted

Second result: I won't be answering any PM's until I can get it all back again. Sorry guys but I really don't want to be bluffing for the next half year afraid to ask for help becuase I might be discovered as a keyboard seducer. So yeah my "helpline" will be down for a couple of weeks possibly a month or two till I feel I am in a position to give advice again.

This is depressing, but as is the case with this stuff when you get it back it's usually stronger than before, plus it never did harm anyone to have a serving of humble pie once in a while.

If anyone feels they have a SOLID answer post it up.

Q1. Alot of the time the mood is high I'm getting giggles, laughs and IOI's left right and centre, I've been mirroring for the past 30 seconds. I bring up the idea of meeting again, and the mood kills just normal little smile and "No thanks, sorry".

What is the Cause?
Maybe their is a way to move the conversation in such a way so that the number close seems less unnatural. Future projection?



Q2. Once again mood is high, mirroring in place, but hooking just isn't happening for me anymore. What are the common reasons for this happening? What things are their to do in order to establish a hookpoint? Please concepts on hooking not a list of script (unless it is an example).

Cheers guys.

I'll address your second question first, because it is quite probably affecting your first question.

From personal experience, I find that if you aren't interested, if your heart isn't in it, then they don't have the same pull to be involved in the conversation, because you're hardly even caring about it, just going through the motions. If you just got out of a relationship and you haven't gotten over it yet, perhaps your heart isn't in it and you are having trouble hooking because they aren't feeling that pull that your interest in the conversation brings.

People will laugh at all sorts of things, people will respond well to all sorts of things, but this doesn't necessarily mean attraction has been established. Perhaps because you have been out of the game so long, you are having a hard time telling when they are attracted. Perhaps you are assuming attraction too soon and because they aren't hooked, when you try to set up a day 2, it's like trying to reel the fish in before they have taken the bait and you end up losing them.

When they are laughing and getting into it, don't pull the trigger right then, because they are getting hooked, but if they aren't hooked, you just pulled it away from them too soon. Let it keep going for a bit, slow it down and take your time until you get back into practice and can tell exactly when you're good to go. Wait until things have gone through a couple spikes of fun and emotion and don't try to get her number right at that point either, because it becomes highly transparent. Sure she knows why you want her number, but when you wait until the emotions die down a bit more, then it is more of a friendly thing and not a "Hey cool, she's laughing at my jokes, maybe she'll fuck me" kind of thing.

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Hmmm that does sound about right.

IOI's I'm getting is playing with the hair, playing with jewelry, smiling while maintianing strong eye-contact, adjusting clothes. Plus I'm opening negging once lightly and running 1 routine followed by mirroring and fluff talk, I could be doing too little.

Cheers Rye!

Anyone else got an insight?

Be more aggressive with your number closing, use the "vacuum" that Juggler describes. Bringing up the idea of meeting again or asking if they want to meet again creates an easily filled vacuum.

Instead, say "Go ahead and put your number in there, I'll give you a call sometime" while you hand the girl your phone. If I haven't gotten her name yet I'll have 'Random Girl' or 'Coffee Shop Girl' in the name spot and say, "Oh, and just so I don't have to call you random girl, your name is...?"

This is much higher pressure. It's not about intimidating them, it's about creating a vacuum that's more difficult to fill. If she's not interested in meeting you again, she just won't pick up the phone. This method leads to more staled numbers, but simply getting those numbers is important when it comes to staying in frame.

Sorry to hear about the STR. :/

As for Q1A: Don't bring up the idea of meeting again. Subtley drop hints like "Man that movie Dark Knight looks soo bad I just might have to see it"
Wait for her response. If she hasn't seen it, she probably just subconsciously thought about watching it with you. You can also also attempt on bouncing too places. I forgot what it's called I think it's MM though. I usually use this after I hook them or sense a strong interest in me. "Since I probably won't see you again, let's go grab some coffee. I'm having a pretty good time with you". BAM. She's either going to say "Okay", "Well we can always meet up some other time ---> # close", or a rejection. If you get rejected you know what to do. If not, success. Unless she finds a reason to see you again, she will refuse your offer. Put her through her own loops to get the 2nd Day.

Q2A: Hooking points are created multiple ways. Look up any method of PU and they will go into detail on it. But I agree with Rye on this one, you're not fully hooking her. Don't close too fast, try a little more rapport.
That's all it seems to be. Not enough rapport and moving too fast. You know when she's hooked when she gives you those big soft eyes that glitter at you .

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