Everything you say should have a message behind it. It's amazing how many people talk without actually saying anything. This is key and seperates the AFCs to PUAs.

We must talk with purpose and a message in a PU. It's how we control discussions and conversation. If you can do this subtley to the subconscious you can also mindfuck anyone you please. Build them up to believe your bullshit and then break them calling them out, then build them back up again.
This is called fractionation. It gets them deeper and deeper into believing you.

I'm not enforcing mindfucking people though.

In conversation with a girl, behind every story and every joke, you must send a message. It can be anything: "I wanna fuck your brains out, I want to marry you or I want you to fall in love with me". These messages must be communicated to her from the beginning to end. It's how you change states of her which also requires control and messaging. This is why the great discussion comes up of Indirect vs. Direct, Indirectly it's really difficult to change states with her (since you haven't been doing it from the beginning she won't be use too it). But then again you have the advantage of being under the radar. Okay I just went off topic.

Back to what I was saying.. These messages must be sent from the beginning of PU to the end in order to change states for her. Giggle-mode to sex-mode. You can do this through any form of communication really and most of you already do it subsconsciously. But that fluff-talk shit people do when they first meet, fuck that. Don't go near it.

This also gets into NLP, now you don't have to practice NLP in order to keep all this in mind. It's really crucial, sending messages subtley or directly, but the point is you need to send messages and be a switch for the girl; changing her states as you please. This will allow you to open her up.

Please remind me if i have ever said any of the following:

Don't Push/Pull
Don't Disqualify
Don't have fun in conversations

Remind me, please if i have argued any of that in my post(s). Remind anyone here that has ever took the time to get to know me if I have ever said or enforced these principles.

All i was simply saying was convey a message to her, always. It's in important part of PU and is carried in a lot of other techniques, besides MM. (Gunwitch, SS, Juggler Method)

You can flirt, have fun, have interesting topics while conveying a message.
Note that messages aren't always fucking flat out said "I want you to fall in love with me". It is subtle, and you are opening her mind up to the idea of it possibly happening by her getting use to these ideas. The more open the mind is to it, the more likely it is going to happen. Zip also has the 'shot technique' as well as Juggler's SOI method that is very direct and works very effectively after rapport is set in. Note that rapport is crucial in order for anything to work.

Push/Pull is not the only way to generate attraction.

Fractionation is also very important to hooking a woman to you emotionally and literally mindfucking them. This also takes place after rapport.



I am flattered that you have found success with women within your MM-bubble, but before you do bash ideas of other method's of PU, please broaden yourself to other ideas of success.



I am also sorry that you had to crap on my post.

IMHO
At some point you are going to have to SOI. If you try to take her
clothes off, that is an SOI. You may be trying to avoid all risk until
the last moment. I'm sure you have had success with setting the mood,
kinoing the girls and then building it up into sex. That can work. But
your life will get much easier if you can figure out how to incorporate
SOI into your game.
Remember that SOIs are delivered ONLY after she is demonstrating that
she is interested. Or, if you were using my system, after you had
forced IOIs.
The difference between an SOI and a close is that the SOI talks about
what you are going to do with her. The close is simply the accounting
details of making it happen - numbers or driving situations, etc. The
close should be almost an after thought.
For a better understanding of an SOI let's look at the approach. You
can call the approach a type of SOI. The mere fact that you are coming
to talk to her is letting her know you are interested. That is why you
can not sneak in. Guys continually come up with gimmicks to try to get
in risk-free. Problem is, a hot girl has been hit on since she was
thirteen. She can see this coming a mile away. She may or may not shoot
such a guy down, she may even talk with him for awhile but she will not
respond to him like she does a confident guy who comes in unafraid of a
risk. Girls don't understand a lot about what really works on them but
they are right when they say they want a bold confident man.
Demonstrate this to her. And ironically, if you come in arrogantly
exposed to fire you will be less likely to be shot.
Well an SOI works similarly. You demonstrate you are unafraid to tell
her straight out what you can do for her sexually. Most guys don't do
that. They are timid. They try to sneak her into bed. They hope that
rapport or kino will be enough. Well some times it is, but many times
it is not - you have to put the picture in her mind.
You have to get over the avoidance of risk. Instead court risk. She
needs to see that you can work around her anti-slut protocol. She WANTS
to have sex with you.
You feel that her saying NO is a bad precedent. I understand where you
are coming from. But remember that the mind can not hold a negative
thought. If I tell you to not imagine a Volkswagon beetle, you can not
help but imagine a funny bug looking car. As far as her imagination,
her NO is not anywhere near as powerful as your suggestive SOI.
Also, you are presuming that you are creating a NO. The fact is that
the NO is there right from the beginning. You just can't see it. That
is where many guys get in trouble. They have done a good job of
attracting her. Now they hope the work is over and try to extract her.
But they never did what was necessary to find out if they had attracted
her enough.
But if you are still wanting to avoid NOs then do the other things I
suggested and don't give her the chance by either doing a take away or
talking past the objection