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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 4:53 pm 
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A friend of mine directed me here after telling me I was a 'natural PUA'.

I haven't read the books, but understand a little of the lingo because most of my mates are into the sarge.

The reason I'm posting is because this little community intrigues me and I'd like to share my experiences given that my 'game' is in no way influenced by what you guys use.

I'm 22, University educated, I live in the UK, 5'10 and considered good looking.

What I thought I would do is explain how I go about meeting, closing and sealing the deal. I'm interested to know what you guys think and how it compares to the more commonly accepted techniques. One thing I will say; is that this works...

Having no interest in befriending women, and as such attaining no female friends - all my girlfriends and bedpost-notches come entirely from self-introduction. Chiefly I use bars, clubs, societies and public transport (something I'm trying to focus more on). My most sucessful arena is in bars and clubs at night time.

Clothing: Trendy, but not over the top. For example a simple checkered cowboy shirt, long sleeved rolled carelessly up to the elbows, collar purposefully spread wide to highlight collarbone and good shoulders. Levis jeans standard cut and soft brown leather moccasins. THIS, for me is key. By dressing in quality clothes and not looking like a pillock it gives you free reign to rip into any guy who looks like he has tried too hard. As I gather from reading other posts 'standing out' seems to be the name of the game and I do concur. However, the sort of women I game (University-educated 9/10 professionals, models etc. will not be interested in men with gaudy accessories. I stand out by wearing clothes that fit me very well, that show off my attrtibutes, stand out from my friends but show a touch of class.

Eye contact: I've become very intuitive in knowing when a girl finds me attractive.
'Oh, she's looking at me, maybe she thinks I'm hot'.

If she glances at you and holds eye contact for even a split second; you're in. I just tell myself she thinks I'm the hottest guy in the club and want s me to come at talk to her. Anything to build confidence. After initial eye contact I wait for it to happen again and as soon as our eyes meet for the second time I walk straight towards her as she is looking at me, pull her away from her friends and start talking to her.

Opening lines: I'm very oppourtunistic and if a natural situation arises to talk to a girl, I grasp it. If not I have a small bank of phrases:

- Pointing at her shoes and looking at them...'Nice shoes'...Then walk off without saying another word or listening to any reply she has. To pick up later.

- 'I really like your dress'...Then cut her out as she tries to reply...
'Yeh, I've got a similar one at home'...Again cut her short as she replies
'Yeh, it looks a bit better on me though'

-'How much did that bag/those shoes/that dress/that hat cost?
'£20'
'I didn't think you were THAT cheap'

Once a conversation has started, it's normally game over. I don't do any ridiculous magic tricks or games like my friends. Just drop the odd joke, tell the odd story, ignore some of what she says and look over her shoulder, touching her arm or her side at the right time etc. etc.

A great line I have been using recently goes like this:

(After being asked why I am single/anything to do with sex/one night stands)
-'I don't believe in one night stands. I finished with them once I left Uni. The sex is normally rubbish. I like there to be a connection with a girl, a real spark, someone on the same wavelength (looking in her eyes). I know it sounds a bit silly but that's what I'm like.'
I also drop in in that I haven't had sex in 6 months because I'm so picky because of the need for a connection.

This usually makes them feel that they will acheieve something by sleeping with you where other women have failed.

-Turn the conversation so that you are talking about oral sex in some description (she will always insinuate she has been told she is 'amazing at giving head' - it's odd, every woman thinks she is incredible at it)
'Well if you want to know a little secret, at the age of 22 I've still never come from receiving head.'
'OMG!' She says 'Trust me you would if I were doing it'
'Trust ME woman, many women have said that and no-one has yet'

You've set them a challenge and they want to prove that they are good at giving head (they have a funny sense of pride regarding oral sex!).

If I don't seal the deal that night I give them MY number, telling them I left my phone at home. That immediately puts them on the backfoot by having to be the first one to contact (you might be surprised that pretty much every one of them does!). I arrange a date as early as possible so the spark doesn't have time to die out and bob's your fu cking uncle.

Notably I also use words like 'young lady' and 'woman' (in a playful manner) when referring to them. I don't know if this would work in the US but it seems to assert my dominance in the UK over women. I NEVER buy a woman a drink and if the girl I am talking to asks me to dance, i refuse. Then later make sure she sees me dancing with another girl. CLASSIC!

A very brief insight into a true novice in the world of seducation but I hope some of you find it interesting and can give me a few tips as to where you think I could improve.

I'm very good at opening and closing. But not so good at the time consuming long patter you need with the classy 9s and 10s.

Look forward to getting involved!


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:14 am 
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lucky you, your surely natural. Great tips though, its good to hear stuff from naturals who know nothing about these forums and the community. I like the eye contact tip for approach.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:16 am 
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Great stuff, it seems you have picked up on most of the key factors that are taught in game by yourself, without having to learn them from elsewhere. It at least goes to show that the stuff that is taught is valid I guess!

Looking at your post here are the qualities that you already have:

- Good style (without peacocking or "pillocking" as you might call it!) Shows fashion awareness and value.
- Presuming attraction / positive mind set
- Detecting IOIs (indicators of interest)
- Confidence and dominace (pulling girls away from their friends)
- Situational openers with humour
- General humour and story telling
- Disqualification (I don't believe in one night stands)
- You have options / are picky, therefore not desperate (the only time not having sex in 6 months can sound like a good thing)
- Creating a challenge for her
- Turning the conversation sexual, comfortable with talking about sex
- Playful teasing
- Jealousy (dancing with another girl)

Your number close (giving her your number) is a good sign of confidence as well.

It seems that you are very confident, something that no doubt comes from your looks (or at least your belief about your looks) which isn't necessarily applicable to all people on this forum. But the basic ideas are there.

In terms of advice it sounds like you may believe that you can't game 9s and 10s for some reason. I think you may need to go outside of your comfort zone a bit there. Maybe you need to work on some comfort building routines for when you game 9s and 10s. But essentially it's your beliefs holding you back. You can do it, although it will require some thought and effort on your part.

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- 'I really like your dress'...Then cut her out as she tries to reply...
'Yeh, I've got a similar one at home'...Again cut her short as she replies
'Yeh, it looks a bit better on me though'
Haha yes. This one actually does work. I've used something like this before and described it here:
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Here is the routine I used after class one day...

(She was wearing a really interesting/loud/attractive shirt and I caught up to her while walking).

ME: That's a really good-looking shirt. I like it.

HB9: Haha. Thanks.

ME: But I have to say, I think I could make it look better if I wore it...

HB9: Oh really??

ME: Yeah.... in fact, just last last week I wore that shirt. So, while you think you're trendy and fashionable, I already wore it! You're just a little behind in the fashion sense...

HB9: HAHA! Yeah I can picture it on you... I think it would look good on you... (IOI)

ME: Yeah that's what all the girls said last week. Hey, I know we all introduced ourselves to the whole class, but I forgot your name...


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Cheers for the replies ladies...Where once I was an outsider - I can see myself soon becoming heavily involved with your community.

Love your post Karlostm. These 'comfort building routines' you talk of are completely new to me; care to provide an explanation and/or a link to a relevant thread/webpage?


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I would suggest picking up The Mystery Method by Mystery or The Annihilation Method by Style. You can usually download these off the internet fairly easily.

Since you are a natural and you already have most of the steps of pick up down I would even say you are ready for The October Man. With The October Man I think you would be able to pick up any chick you wanted. However the October Man is a little risky to use and if your not careful with it you can end up with results you didn't want.


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I would suggest picking up The Mystery Method by Mystery or The Annihilation Method by Style. You can usually download these off the internet fairly easily.

Since you are a natural and you already have most of the steps of pick up down I would even say you are ready for The October Man. With The October Man I think you would be able to pick up any chick you wanted. However the October Man is a little risky to use and if your not careful with it you can end up with results you didn't want.
I agree if you learn a little of the Mystery Method and Annihilation Method and then on top of that master the October Man you will be a god among mortals


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 4:52 am 
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some good stuff, I like the dress opener gonna try it


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Looks like you got it goin'. So far I think the key points in picking up is push and pull - correct me if im wrong.


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Love your post Karlostm. These 'comfort building routines' you talk of are completely new to me; care to provide an explanation and/or a link to a relevant thread/webpage?
Cheers - the replies the other guys have given is pretty much it - it's described in the Mystery Method etc. Essentially comfort building is creating a connection between the two of you - asking about her and finding commonalities.

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Muchly appreciated lads; some interesting bedtime reading no doubt.

Now. Does anyone in the London area fancy swapping some ideas? Fresh untainted game for advanced technical comfort ideas?

Give me a PM if you're interested.


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I also drop in in that I haven't had sex in 6 months because I'm so picky because of the need for a connection.
hahaha fuuuuuuuuuuuuuck back in the days certain hb8.5 used this on me and I noticed it just now

I loved ur post, had fair amount of good points to stick with.


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Opening lines: I'm very oppourtunistic and if a natural situation arises to talk to a girl, I grasp it. If not I have a small bank of phrases:
Just goes to show you even the naturals have canned material.

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You touched on something I've always thought is KEY that is rarely ever mentioned. The SECOND EYE CONTACT. For me this is very important, especially for beginners. In my experience there are a million reasons why a woman looks at you once but only one reason she'll look at you twice. Granted even if she looks at you once if your game is up you will still be able to approach and have success. However if you wait for the second time it is practically guaranteed unless you totally screw it up (by you I mean everyone). Any Approach Anxiety I may have completely washes away if I see a woman take two strong glances at me. I KNOW I'm in!


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yo yo


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