i think it depends on the person if they want to drink or not. for me perosonal i wouldnt want to get drink just a little buzzed to loosen up a little bit.

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TAKING THE JOURNEY ONE STEP AT A TIME.

Here's my question; can you handle your liquer? Mystery does'nt drink because he cant handle it, pretty sure that he says that somewhere..no idea where, if you can say no after 2 drinks or even 3 whats to worry?

Personally I do drink but I drink because I enjoy taste, smell and food goes well, love wine;))

SF

Disclaimer: (tl;dr is totally justified)
Accept my apologies, I admit poor etiquette for a first post: I have not read this entire thread, but come on…it’s a Friday night and I am about to go hit the bars. I will probably wake up late tomorrow and when I do catch the rest of this thread I would love to hear some responses and advice to my dilemma as this is an issue I have been quite interested in myself. So do forgive me if someone has already made a similar post.

I love to party and have for nearly a decade (read: 23). My family tree roots right back to a rich history of Irish and Scottish binge drinking... is it a personality flaw? It could be. Has it affected my Game? Oh Hell yes, but it is a powerful catalyst not a hindrance at this point. I fully admit it is a crutch I will one day be better off to lose. For now though, I am having a blast and every night I go out drinking I wind up laughing my ass through the hang-over at not only the boldness of my actions the previous night but also the success. Even when I near the physical limit of being plastered I have always been extremely lucid in many respects, but I do try to keep it reasonable. Reading through a lot of PUA theory was totally the basis of developing my Game, but I just didn’t seem to open up set after set until I had relaxed six pints worth and beyond and one night when I was enjoying some time out at the bar was really the first time I started putting it to practice. I was fucking amazed, but yes…it just started flowing while I was out drinking with my crew.

I totally agree that being sober is the key to a deeper, stronger Game, but at this point the closing success ratio of sober me vs. drinking me just can’t compare. I am always for improving any aspect of my Game, but I must identify that my sober Game continues to fall way behind; it’s a weak link in the chain.

Has anyone else had a similar experience? Were you able to advance your sober Game in a way that led to overall better success? I would go so far as to say that, regardless of the subjective Game strength, I will always have to serve the interest of the objective Game success (that is, the total net successful closes).

p.s. Gambler’s body language/kino explanation on youtube changed my life (I realize other PUAs have addressed the issues covered in the videos, but for me it was the first time I saw those topics so eloquently described). If anyone has links to more of his videos or any of his material you especially like, please post or PM it my way.

p.p.s I guess this will be another topic, but maybe someone has already covered it...but I mean I love 10-7s to death for sure, but lately I have been really getting fucking hard-ons for these quirky 5/6s girl next door types...I mean sure personality is a major multiplier in the comprehensive score...but what the Hell...I guess "beauty" really is just that mundane.

i've noticed when i drink a bit (slight buzz, not drunk), i am much more loosened up. but i often keep drinking, especially if i'm not paying, and i get drunk and i do dumb shit and fuck up any chance i may have otherwise had picking up. i have made out with girls when drunk before, but only a few, who probably had low self-esteem.

i've gone as far as to leave my friends and go to a nextdoor bar and try my drunkass game on the women in there. i didn't get shit, but i got a lot of approaches in! and i remember them too! so in that sense, it could be beneficial if you're just beginning and don't have the bar set high.


this is the main lesson:

one of my friends would end up taking care of me, making sure i got to the toilet alright, etc, like a good bud. but then of course this is seen as alpha behavior. and come to think of it he usually gets laid when he has to take care of my drunk ass lol. he owes me.

you watch reality shows? living proof that 2 'dead set' alpha males do not get along and cannot be friends. so then every group would need guys that make you look good. guys that make you look like an alpha in comparison.

so then, if you need your buds to make you look alpha, i wonder if you would even want your buds to be as good at the game? Do Mystery and Matador AGREE to disagree in order to help eachother out, 'taking turns' ?

The past few times I went out I drank, loosened me up and I did pretty good. Last night was my first night at club game, and I didn't drink (1/2 a beer..didn't do shyt). It screws up my game because then I can't think quick and witty on my feet. I'd have no problem grabbing a soda or w.e. and drinking that so as not to seem uptight, but I was DD last night so i'd have no problem saying that. Honestly depending on the ppl they might respect you for doing the DD thing and looking out for your friends. It all comes down to you having a strong enough frame to not care what other ppl think of you, and the best way to develop that is by putting yourself out in the field without a crutch (alcohol), and getting over your AA, or any other obstacles on your own....builds you up so you have the balls to do anything.

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This is a pretty good debate.

The only thing I'd say is that you never "need" anything (besides your wits) to sarge successfully. If you need alcohol to sarge/approach, how do you expect to run day game without carrying a flask with you wherever you go?

I drink a lot and handle it pretty well, but I've decided to cut back, not just because I was overrelying on it, but because I could see it undermining my game.

Recently, I had drank about 15 beers when I opened up a five-set of HB9s and HB10s (a stagette at the bar)... no one was approaching them; I immediately approached the future-bride and asked her about the right amount of money to spend on a wedding gift (I'm a groomsman this summer)... I chatted it up with her, turns out she's marrying an NHL hockey player who went to my elementary school; I got in the group, and after chatting it up with the other ladies, I screwed up their names, they called me on it with a machine-gun-fire shit test (saying I had too much to drink, blah blah blah - it was like four on one). I was lost for words; I got flustered and ejected. It was one of my best approaches, but I couldn't run with it after a relatively playful shit-test.

I don't blame alcohol entirely; Out of the five girls, I had left two out of the conversation and they ended up being the most vicious.... but I certainly think if I hadn't been 15-deep, I'd have been more quick-witted to smooth my way out of the shit test (or just prevented it from happening in the first place by not screwing up their names).

ive noticed my game is FUCKING amazing when im stoned rofl

Well I did my first sarge (solo) on a 2 set. I only had a beer and a whiskey before hand (say about an hour before) and that removed any nerves I had at the time. I didn't K-Close but I did hand over wrist band (which has my name on it) and I thought it actually helped me. I think for the next time however I'm gonna try without drinking and see if really was just Dutch Courage or if I really had just thought 'fuck it' to myself ho hum....

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Mr.Kage. What more do you need to really know?

Order a sprite with a lime. It looks and smells like a gin and tonic. AMOGS get off your back about not drinking and girls respect the mixed drink. If they want to try it just say that the bartender likes too give guys less alcohol than girls... the sketchy bastard (this is true).

i disagree with zero. drinking is NOT a solution to approach anxiety. be confident about not drinking. dont attempt to hide it. say it loud, with pride, "i'll have an ORANGE JUICE!" be the alpha male who's different.

if anyone questions you, dont back down. anything along the lines of:

• i dont need alcohol to have fun
  i have my taekwando tournament tomorrow and need my zen in line
  i dont feel like disrupting my feng shui tonight
  this is how i start my night. is there a problem? (more for a guy)
  hey, this is what i feel like drinking
  are you trying to get me drunk so you can take advantage of me (for a girl)

etc. there are no end of solutions and alternatives.

I managed to completely mess up a Fools Mate on an HB8 because I was drunk and overbearing. Yet a couple drinks help me loosen up and be much more C&F.

Everything in moderation is what I've learned though I'm a hedonist by nature. A good way to regulating my drinking is if I would be ok to LEGALLY drive home right now.

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- "Only those who are unworthy, ...get lucky". -CB

- "The larger an ego becomes, the more vunerable it is. Like a ballon while inflating gains more and more surface area for a pin to invade." - CB

Screw it, order a glass of milk and enjoy the attention you'll get. I'm not kidding, you can carry a glass of milk around the bar and as long as you've got solid body language and look confident you will actually get cred for it

Ever seen 'The Departed'?
haha i actually got a cranberry juice two nights ago. 4 am at a club after plenty of dancing and some drinking - nothing better. totally kills any hangover, rehydrates you and replenishes good vitamins. means you can go sarge the next night too

Nice peacocking! Never considered it. Maybe have a DHV story behind why you order milk besides a cheesy "does the body good: line.

C&F reply," I'm a growing boy , I wear superman underoos too!"

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- "Only those who are unworthy, ...get lucky". -CB

- "The larger an ego becomes, the more vunerable it is. Like a ballon while inflating gains more and more surface area for a pin to invade." - CB

damn i forgot