You need to use DHV embedded material. You just opened you are in A2. You don't really need to neg much online, as typically it doesn't come across the right way. You can save that for when you get her in person.

Secondly, I'm sorry I don't write online routine stacks, because it won't be specific to you and will be incongruent to her.
Why do we have to twist her words all the time, why not just cut that thread and start a new one that you want to use. This is much easier than trying to go of her confused statements.
Some people will just respond to be polite. I would take too much out of this. She may be interested but she isn't comfortable with you yet because there hasn't been time to establish that. You are going to need to go into a few stories before we worry about this.

I do agree though her responding consistently is a online IOI so to speak.

Once she's messaged you 2-3 more times back I would consider asking her for her Instant Messenger address so you can talk to her in real time. You'll be able to judge her interest level better doing that.
There is no real easy way to tell, it just involves calibration and being able to feel the other person out.

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jsmoth and fellow PUAs continued from above my reply and her response

me: Sar,
Awww....You're cute like my little sister. I'm curious. What is it you want, personal or professional, and how will you know when you get it?

David

HB10: what ?

oh god i dont know where I was going with this but i think its time to bail I dont know if I can salvage this.....


please I would appreciate input on whether its time to eject or if someone can suggest something to get me back in.....I have a hard time embedding DHV ( online game) in the form of stories with out a setup for it and now if I just start telling her a story about me its just o much I think again I would appreciate everyones help thanks

Okay I like how you are using something you see to open but to say, "What's the bitch's name" is a little more edgy that I would use but whatever works for you man
You are giving her a pet name that is part of bantering so that's cool. The you do a bait hook release with doing the thing with her dog's name which is something you use in A2 Male to female interest but we're really still in A2 here.
I'm a little confused too. Not sure where you had a pet lion but okay. You could have branched off into a story about it, if its something that's happened to you. If your bullshitting here she's sensing it.
This is an A2 neg comment. You opened with a neg with the dog so that makes sense since she's an HB10 to you. Where is the DHV material though. I don't see you don't anything to flip her attraction switches.

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Honestly I would say bail...

Worst case scenario: you don't pick her up...you won't meet her.

Best case scenario: you not messaging her anymore might make her feel like you lost interest in her... makes her feel inadequate and she might try to salvage the messaging

I doubt the best case will workout but you have to move on in my opinion.

Try to figure out what you did wrong and fix it. Ask yourself if your conversation would make sense to you if you were the target.

For example: This feels like it's not smooth... you jump without flowing into the next thought. And what are YOU trying to ask her? personal or professional? I myself wouldn't know how to respond.

Make sure you're entirely clear (whether it's a joke or a question).



Hope that's good advice and others will agree....

Good advice man!

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HB: what ?

ME: yea, my boss asked me that today he meant like goals....


HB: ok i really dont know where you are going with all of this ?? and im raeally confused! i think u might be on drugs


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the part I sent to her above about having an old pet lion....i thought her response would be something on the lines of " you owned a lion?...or you had a pet lion? ........and my reply was gonna be No, I was lion....simple she never asked though that was the purpose of that . Failed

to save face I replyed with thats the question my boss asked me " about success and how Ill know when I get it...figureing shed ask how I repsonded or say she doesnt understand the question blah blah.....


instead she wrote : she didnt know where i was going with this....and me on drugs... Drug use comment DEF NOT a IOI at least in my opinion



I wish I would have stopped responding when she said " what?" but if I dont reply to the drug comment it look like im hiding or she got me....

so the only thing I can think of now as a reply is .......

" You're funny" or

"You're funny...its an easy question I figured you were smarter than that"

or address where Im going with the question

"You're Funny... its not a trick question...The translation gets changed asking online...I was wondering if you had goals. That was it and what they were. Im super swamped this week ..How about we meet for drinks for some stimulating conversation on Friday unless your chicken "


what about any of these responses?

i dnno ...Id really apppreciate all help on this thread.

gawd I hate not getting the reponses you're use to getting...curve balls with HB10 s are tricky.....

I'm going to say this the best way I can say it. The things you said to her were confusing to me and I've been doing this for a while! I wasn't sure where you were going with it. I see what you were talking about with the pet lion.

You were unclear with her and some of your responses are just not complete sentences and lilke I said were confusing. She is weirded out at this point hence the comments about drugs. You need to drop this one and move on.

When you made the comment about success. If you explained the whole thing to her like you did to us it would have made sense. But the way you did it in messaging her, seemed like it came out of the blue.

Let me get something very clear with you. You are going to ask her for drinks.

What in the interaction thus far makes you think that she's interested with you?

What in the interaction thus far makes you think that she's comfortable talking to you?

I don't see anything either!

Anything you do from this point on will be like you fighting for validation and to clear your name. You had your chance to make a first impression and messed up. No big deal, just learn from it, and move on.

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J SMooth,


I agree with you 100% about the saving face..... and your right time to make like maverick and eject from this one...

my rationale behind the drinks thing ( also that was just 1/3 options i listed as a reply so it didnt seem like she got me with the " on drugs comment"

She and my ex gf were cheerleaders for my school ( University of North Texas 2 years ago and so she knows who I am and we made out at my fraternity house 3 years ago, and at the bars in Denton.TX when we see each other theres like this playful sort of tension we just havent talked solo....

I figured i could feel out her level of interst a if enough ask her out since we arent stragers but I just had a hard time conveying that in msg form..

So we had some history prior to this face book exchange...lame I hate messing up...on the flip side thats how we improve.

Thank you for your input and the help from the other members

David

So you knew her AND made out with her? I think you played this all wrong then... you definitely could have played this different to catch her interest. Negging something in the past, or bringing up a story in the past builds comfort I think....

I think you had her with the opening line... couldn't quite tell if she was offended by it or not... but after that you weren't very clear on your jokes or your questions...

Quarterback,

Yes I did ... A few days ago I just started thinking " its my last year in college and every girl Ive ever wanted to date or anything that was super hot ( so pretty much every HB10 ) im gonna get a date with them and even if I get a no or however many nos im just not gonna regret NOT knowing........plus its not rejection its me discovering the girls that have good taste.....

guys,

yesterday i met up with a girl on what was a relatively blind date in the sense that we hadn't met before but had been talked alot about by friends and then one day she sends me a facebook message saying she wants to meet up.

so we meet up and i take her to a park not far from both of our houses and we hang out for a few hours talking about fluffy things and i find we have alot in common and along the way i neg her in a playful way and she laughed along.

towards the end she initiates a conversation where she puts forth all of the things she's done sexually and i share the same personal history. there was no kiss close but i want to see her again and it was lots of fun, we even have a nickname i use for her all on first chill sesh, is the sex talk a good sign?

Welcome to the forum & the community man!

I know you are new here and probably don't realize this thread is for Online Game only. Pretty much once you have her in person the Online Game part is over, but I'll go ahead and answer you question.

Yes, the sex talk stuff can be a good sign. I think it would have been better if you had introduced the sexual frame first, but yes it's a good sign. Sounds like she is a very sexual person, whether she appears that way on the surface or not.

I like the fact that you have a nickname for her as well. It's a very playful thing to do. Not to mention that having nicknames is a good part of building comfort.

Sounds like you are on the right path man!

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There are now 3 versions of the chump to champ song on www.stunpals.com
The most recent i just added today. which version do you think is best?

Backround info: I had this HB in my child hood development class we clicked great then she got a bf for the semester and we talked on facebook off and on.... so I shot her this email on facebook....
this is the convo so far I want advice on direction of DHV story on input...


ME: So you and I should have dinner sometime since we haven't gotten a chance to yet.

HB: oh yea why is that?

( I laughed when I read this like I should prove y she should take me up on my offer.....)


ME: I've just been too busy....


HB: oh doing what?

ME: too much to write. Ill tell you over dinner..... u in ?

HB: umm idk

ME:So, tell me something interesting

HB: like what i dont know anything interesting

ME: What, you can't think of even ONE interesting thing about yourself or your life? I think I need to go before this gets any worse.....

HB: lol not really im just going to school right now and working thats about it. what about you?


and she just wrote bakc with what about you......am I still in A2 is this a good place for a DHV story and if so could i get a list of some componetes of DHV stories like the spikes

J smooth Id like to hear your input too man

David

Okay man, you should reference and download the Venusian Arts Handbook. You can find these on some torrent sites. They have the complete list of all the spikes. Here are the the main spikes you need to convey. Most of them explain themselves.

You can convey these by telling them in a story, or you can demonstrate some of these in pictures you may have on your Facebook profile.

1.) Pre-Selection by other women

2.) Leader of Men

3.) Protector of Loved Ones

4.) Being Nonneedy
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I agree that you are in A2 and you need to work on attracting her at this point. Why are you asking her out before you've made her attracted to you? Maybe we should have waited until after she was attracted and had some comfort built with us. Anyways, not only did you ask once but you asked twice which seems needy.

Anyways, since she didn't go for it you did the right thing to continue back into attraction.

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