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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 5:21 pm 
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Good points. Learning to do this the "proper way" is where the meditation practice and other aspects of my approach come in.

You're right, you might end up using your own "home grown" canned material rather than coming up with something totally new for every approach. What's important, as you so well point out, is that you're congruent. If it sounds like you're reading a script you aren't going to get the same results as if you really are in the moment, being yourself, and letting the words flow. It's not some special state, it's just being normal. When you see a friend and start talking, you don't search your mental database of canned material. You just flow into a normal conversation. Take that same feeling, that same flow, into an approach and you will get better results.

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I'll definitely check it out if you release it in ebook form

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My ongoing review:

Wow. Pages 53-64 = quite possibly one of the most useful chapters I have ever read in a pickup book. My favorite quote there is (and I highlighted this), "And remember, your connection to her is through shared emotional states. Shared interests are great, but not essential. Shared emotional states are what you're after."

He's basically giving a super effective way to create rapport and emotional connection and I think practicing this stuff will really help me in-field. Anyone who reads this will be saved from becoming another one of those social robot PUAs because he really emphasizes being genuine...and how you can effectively pickup by doing so.

I'm probably going to spend a whole week or something working on the stuff in this chapter alone.

There's an old concept of conversationalism circulating in the PUA community where you break down something that your target says into differnt parts to recognize where you can direct the conversation so that you can keep the conversation flowing. Snubby, Zen, Max Weiss, or whatever he wants to be called, takes this concept and goes deeper so that the PUA can REALLY connect on an emotional level... and we all know that women are all about emotions :wink: . He also talks about something I haven't heard in the community before... Yes, he talks about the "statement of intent," but he also mentions a "statement of admiration." Pretty interesting concept.

The only thing that turns me off about the book so far is that it seems to focus on approaching single sets and doesn't go into set theory at all. Now, I haven't read the whole book yet, so I may be speaking too soon, but this book may be perpetuating the inaccurate stereotype that single sets are easier to approach and pick up. It also seems to focus primarily on Day Game. Whether that's a good or bad thing is up to you.

More to come...


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I think you're seeing why I steer things away from the canned opener. It leads right into the section you're reading now. It's very hard to build a genuine emotional connection with a canned opener. It's pretty easy to do it when you're relating a story from your own life that has real meaning to you. It will show in your face, body language, your voice, everything. It will all be organic to who you are.

As for the focus on single sets and day game, the examples I give are heavily weighted in that direction, but the techniques in the book can be applied just as effectively to night game and mixed sets. My feeling going into this was that 99% of the material out there is focused on night game and sets. But I don't live in a bar, I live out in the world where I see attractive women all the time, whether it's in line at the Starbucks, wandering around the art gallery, waiting for the train or elevator, or whatever. If you get comfortable walking up and starting a conversation in these situations, and can build attraction in the process, I think you'll have the skills and confidence to deal with any other situation you encounter. That said, perhaps I'll do a follow up book on Zen night game and set theory. If so, I'll have to dedicate it to you Chief, your feedback here has been fantastic. I'm glad you're enjoying the book and look forward to hearing more of your thoughts on it.

Snubby or Zen or Max or whatever I call myself. :lol: :wink:

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MY FINAL REVIEW!!!

I take a while to read stuff because I study multiple things at a time, but I HAVE FINALLY FINISHED READING THIS BOOK.

I wish this book were available in ebook form so more people could have an opportunity to read this. The Zen of Meeting Women offers some of the best Inner Game teachings I've ever seen in the community. The concepts may be difficult to grasp at first, especially if you aren't used to having a very open mind about things, but this text sets you on a very effective path to becoming a very happy and centered natural at pickup.

Reading this book alone will not set you on a fast track path to becoming a total master at pickup, however. People should study Mystery's M3 model for more specific steps, but you should always see the Outer Game through the eyes of your Inner Game. I think The Zen of Meeting Women can give you some of the best pairs of eyes a PUA can have.

This book does offer a suggested yet limited step-by-step Outer Game model, though. If you are just interested in becoming a well-centered individual who's a pretty good PUA, this book is perfect. This book alone cannot suffice as "advanced material," but it's all you'll ever actually need for practicality's sake. For PUAs seeking MORE...for PUAs seeking glory and becoming one of the best... this teachings in this book are a necessary, yet unfortunately overlooked, foundation for success.

I would recommend this text to anyone and everyone. Top marks.

Hopefully there will be a sequel that goes deep into specifics about Night Game and Set Theory. That should be an interesting and useful read.


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Thanks much for the well thought out review. I'm considering a follow up book that covers online dating, night game, and sets. I've got some other ideas too, but it's all in the fermentation/percolation phase.

Anyway, thanks again for the review, much appreciated. :D

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I've got good news for those who have been asking for a download-able version of my book, The Zen of Meeting Women. It is now available through Amazon Kindle, at http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/ ... severenetA

This is the only digital version of the book I plan on doing. If you don't own a Kindle, you can still get the book itself at http://ZenPUA.com or through Amazon.com at http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/ ... severenetA

I want to thank all the people that have already bought the book, especially those who have posted favorable reviews on Amazon. It makes a big difference. I've gotten some great feedback and had some interesting email exchanges. The PUA community is fantastic. Thanks one and all, and good luck on your journey.


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More good news, the 2nd edition of The Zen of Meeting Women is now available. I've dropped the price of the first edition, but will soon remove it from Amazon, so all you bargain hunters might want to snap it up. You'll save a couple bucks over the cost of the new 2nd edition, which can be bought through my site, http://zenpua.com , or from amazon: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/ ... severenetA

Improvements include the addition of some night game and set theory (thanks to the suggestions by our very own Chief) and also some discussion of meeting women online.

If anyone reads and enjoys the book, please post reviews on Amazon, they really help a lot.

Thanks to everyone here for your suggestions and questions, it's helped shape the book. In particular, big thanks to Chief.

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In particular, big thanks to Chief.
Do I get a free copy? :D :D :D
eh? eh? :wink: :wink:


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In particular, big thanks to Chief.
Do I get a free copy? :D :D :D
eh? eh? :wink: :wink:
Check your PM :wink:

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puabooks dot com has a great list of books for PUA, you should definitely check it out.


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I have Read "double your dating"
I also have the advanced dvd series of that.
I have read the "attraction code"

and Now I purchased from Amazon, this book "zen of meeting women" version one and two. :) Can't wait to get it, and read it!


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Just snagged this on Amazon...I'm looking forward to it! 8)


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In particular, big thanks to Chief.
Do I get a free copy? :D :D :D
eh? eh? :wink: :wink:
Check your PM :wink:
I would also like a copy, i'm new on the game and I want to begin with the right book.


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I suggest picking one up at http://zenpua.com/ or at http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/ ... severenetA

Thanks

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