Wanted to add my 2 cents that NLP is note entirely about hypnotizing people. The stuff Ross Jeffries talks about is only the tip of the iceberg as far as NLP is concerned. NLP is an incredibly useful tool that has a wide spectrum of applications. Don't give NLP a bad rep just because speed seduction is borderline immoral.

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I never felt comfortable with SS either, Just never felt natural, The cocky, funny approach just seemed to fit the bill with me.

I don't mind ross jefferies, I just find that NLP has never really suited my style, I use reframing and choose words carefully etc, but no real patterns etc.

I think jefferies is disliked because he seems to want full control of the game in some respects.

If you remember in "the game" he tried to tell style that he had to commit to his teachings and not mystery's !!

Style was just too level headed to be taken in by his bullshit and possesive ways.

In a nutshell he is a pushy bastard !!!

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after reading the game i can't help but agree with you.

but style, although a highly distinguished mPUA among the bunch, is still an author. and, his book was a story, although non-fiction, and all stories have good guys (mystery, which is iffy... ha ha) and bad guys (ross jefferies, which after i read he sniffed carmen electra's ass he lost a lot of points with me, lol) and of course in the story there is the goal, the prize, the glorified ending to the epic struggle that built all the way up to that point (i.e. the guitarist from courtney love's band).

the book is very informative and very well written but it still has all the elements of a story and ross jefferies just happened to be the bad guy.

but really, the stuff that i've read and seen of jefferies' is just really sleazy and under handed. not my cup of tea but to each is own. it worked for him so why not?

there is a sense of morals and honor in the pick up community. and that is the fact that women are given the choice to be with the man, after of course she proves that she is worthy... lol

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"The cure for one-itis, PUAs like to say, is to go out and have sex with a dozen other girls- and then see if this flower is still so special." Style

^^ Tyler Durden was the main villian though in the book, he was written as very cold and deceptive.

RJ just seemed more misguided and vengeful than evil.

that's true i forgot about him. plus papa was durden's puppet so yeah, i suppose durden really was the antagonist of the story.

but it seemed like two stories in the whole book, one while he's trying to figure out pua and learning from anyone he can, and jefferies is definitely the bad guy in terms of who style's teachers were. then durden comes along, style steals one of his sets in vegas, and then it's all down hill for the rest of the book.

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"The cure for one-itis, PUAs like to say, is to go out and have sex with a dozen other girls- and then see if this flower is still so special." Style

wow talk about a bashing lol ,my pride. Well anyway thanks for the info

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Lately I've been listening to Barry Kirke aka 26 aka Extramask from The Game and it's funny to listen to his perspective on the book. I remember when I thought that Style was probably the best guy that PUA had to offer, but from how Barry tells it, a lot of that story has been manipulated in order to make Style seem the hero and Tyler the villain. Several events didn't happen the way they're written, like the part about Extramask not being able to piss with other guys beside him at a urinal; it was really just a joke that he was making over the forum and not a conversation that they had together.

I'm not saying RJ is any better than Style makes him out to be, only that it's hard to tell with the creative license he's taken. Papa didn't get the success that it sounds like with Paris Hilton and I wouldn't be surprised if Tyler and Papa weren't as bad as they sounded. Apparently Style isn't as polite as he makes himself sound, like the part about saying "hi" to guys in the house that he didn't know and them not replying, Barry says that Style didn't make "hey" sound very friendly usually.

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Does anyone but me find these MPUA propaganda "good guy/bad guy" wars, tiresome and rather pointless considering what we are here for.

Yea dude totally !!

I think when you go into the game at that level then rather then working together , things get competetive and then *bang* your fucking eachothers HB's and girlfriends.

Best way to remember why your here is to stay neutral and let the wars be fought and just smile at the fact your not a good or bad guy !!

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Does it honestly matter why people seem to dislike RJ and NLP? Explore it for yourself and draw your own conclusions. I got into NLP and took what I needed from it and left the rest. Do a little research and learn something.

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I'm very glad you mentioned this. The reason for this is because you can never really trust what ONE person says. The Game is Styles perspective of everything that happened and therefore is going to be very bias. And when do you think he wrote the pages and events in that book?? I would say probably long after they actually took place.. therefore i would assume none of the quotes in that book from the real people are that accurate...do you think style could remember exactly the words mystery said several weeks after it took place? And if you look closely Style takes a lot of credit for a lot of things in that book. I cant remember all of them exactly but i believe he takes credit for coming up with the "false time constraint" technique and a bunch of other gimmicks.. like girlfriends test and smile shapes and all that...maybe he did.. but maybe he didnt..

point is

overall the book is tweeked to make money and sell so dont think that it happned exactly as the book says it did.

and as for ross jeffries..at the very least as some have already said he deserves credit for being the father of most of all this pua stuff..

atleast give him that

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People are in the game for different reasons, wether or not they have morals is a personal obligation.

In my opinion, I think its wrong, but who are we to judge and control other people.

I am not a MPUA, but if someone asks for advise/lessons on the game, I usually analyze and test the person before I start teaching.

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Okay, you start off by saying attraction is not a choice and then say that NLP is wrong? How does that even make sense?

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