So here's a important question:

After reading up on DEL (Dicarlo's escalation ladder) I got a question about it. In the world of puas you hear the phrase "k-close" ALL THE TIME. However, just because you k-close someone it doesn't always mean THAT much because of a variety of reasons such as buyer's remorse and whatnot.

So here's the question: Do you guys think its a good idea to k-close a girl if you know you won't be able to f-close her the same night--> because you don't wanna seem easy, telegraph too much interest, early work in the morning...etc?

To quote DiCarlo, "It's not to say that kissing a girl on a non-sex meet will destroy your chances, but it certainly won't improve them. Kiss-closes may look impressive and feed your ego, but aren't technically optimum".

Herein lies the confusion. I always thought it would be good to kiss a girl no matter what situation, just because it increases and shows a level of developing comfort between the two of you. Also if you miss the opportunity she may think ur a wussy or just not interested. Any thoughts on this? Im meeting up with a girl for a day 2 later today and I can k-close her, but im not sure if I should!?!

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Always yes to me. It'd be like why #close if you can't kiss?

If you can't go further then just make sure to leave her wanting more. Be a good kisser, mkay?

I just try to stick to the general rule of thumb: ABC (Always Be Closing)

Vin DiCarlo does say that you must escalate at any window of opportunity you get. It means you would pass a test of masculinity.

A lot of guys think that k-closing a girl on a night where they know they won't get the lay would kill some sexual tension. I don't let this happen. Read my "FR++: Team Play and Strong LMR" thread in the Field Reports section. In there, I abruptly stop a make-out session and pretend like nothing happened to maintain and build sexual tension. It sets a "this is our little secret... you and me against the world" kind of conspiracy theory mood.

On the flip side, I can see how kissing her could kill some sexual tension if you don't fully understand the dynamics of tension. As long as you understand sexual tension well enough to play around with it, you should be fine.

This sounds like one of those situations where, when in doubt, build more tension.

Kiss her, then push her away/end the kiss first, and say "That's all you get for now" playfully. Her jaw will probably drop because she is amazed that you did that.

If you really want to fry her circuits, do that and keep touching her body. Say that's all for now, ending the kiss, but keep touching her. The mixed signals will be too much to handle.

This is just something i've personally used a number of times that worked really well;

Once i established a connection with the girl and feel she is very much attracted to me; When i can tell she really wants to kiss me i don't give it to her.

This will happen over the course of a few dates and she will inevitably ask me 'Why don't you want to kiss me?' to which i reply 'I'm not in a hurry'.

The truth is; i'm not in any kind of hurry - I enjoy the dates (because if i didn't then the girl isn't worth the screw anyways) and building up TENSION/ANTICIPATION = EXCITEMENT which makes for great sex when you do finally give it to her.

A big part of me being able to do this when starting out was because i had already escalated with other girls i was seeing so i didn't feel the need to rush things with every girl i was dating, or have 'oneitis' - which inevitably turned them on more.

Women love a guy who has control and detest a guy who is desperate.

Just my 2 cents.

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i find it's good to K close but don't over-do it, you have to show some investment so she doesn't go for another hot guy who is actually willing to act on his masculine impulses.

Thier needs to be a balance; show physically that their is connection and attraction, but don't come of as desperate or needy.