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Hey guys. I wrote up a long motherfucker of a post a while ago and it got good critiques so I wanted to write up a little on what I've been working on for the past few months. As you know, there are a lot of methods out there and you have probably practised a few of these, or at least studied them a little. No method suits everybody, and no method is designed to suit every situation. With that in mind, we need to know if this is actually suitable for you before you go ahead and start reading all of this.

1. This is designed purely for approaching girls who are by themselves, so if you want to read up on group theory you can stop reading now.

2. There are two structures here, but it's basically all the same method. One is direct, and one is indirect. You'll need to read on to see what I mean.

This is not the only method I use, neither is it the only one I teach. However, this is the method I've had the most success with and if you feel like this is your style, this is the simplest formula you could possibly follow. I realise everyone is individual and this may not be suited to your style; if this is the case there are plenty of other options available to you.

So, moving on. First, you need good inner game. Everything you believe about yourself is projected outwards through your body language, your tone of voice, and the way that you deal with people in general. If you aren't confident in your abilities then people will see this and they won't be confident in you either. Even if you approach a woman and do everything exactly the way I explain, if you do it with poor body language or stumble over your words, it will be totally incongruent and won't work. You need to really embody this stuff so that you appear completely natural, but after just a couple of approaches you'll find yourself surprisngly comfortable with it - and it's impossible to fuck this up if you have your inner game down.

Alright, and how do we develop this oh-so important inner game? To be honest, the best inner game comes from experience, so if you've gone out and had success with women already you pretty much know you can do it and you'll have this down already. All you need to do is think back to the last time (or even the last few times) you had success with a woman and you'll instantly become happy and feel motivated - those positive emotions will completely blank out the negative thoughts and you'll just go do it. Beschatten wrote a really good post on inner game, which can be found here. I'm aware that I can't shunt everyone into this category, so if you haven't had such a good time before or even if you've never had a date then don't worry. You can still improve your inner game by simply understanding one simple fact (which I will detail in the next paragraph). As for out in the field, it'll be harder to develop it with nothing specific to relate to, but you can still do it if you don't give a shit about the outcome of your approach. Focus on the presentation of your approach rather than the outcome and you'll be flying in no time. You really can fake it till you make it, I've seen a few guys do exactly that.

Now, what about that fact I mentioned? As you know, everything society has taught you about meeting and attracting women is complete and utter bullshit. They say they want to be asked out. They say they want a man to give her space and make decisions. They say they have to get to know him really well before they will consider sleeping with him, and so on. However, when a man is submissive and conforms to this kind of behaviour in the hopes of attracting her, he is doing the opposite because it makes him appear weak and women fucking loathe weakness. In reality, they want a man who is up front, honest, confident, makes decisions and is not afraid to lead her. That's exactly why women are attracted to "bad boy" types, because they naturally exhude these characteristics. Thanks to social conditioning though, none of them will openly admit this. Ask any woman! She will be the exception to the rule, and she genuinely does want that nice guy who is willing to be at her beck and call and do whatever she wants. It's funny how much they really believe in their own bullshit sometimes. With this in mind, you automatically have an advantage over the rest of the men in her life, or at least most of them. Thankfully, the social conditioning which causes women to cover up their true desires is only a hinderance to men who are victims of the same conditioning - and you're not one of them. When a man shows understanding of this simple fact it makes him one attractive motherfucker because, to her, he is "different". He's one of those guys who "gets it". The woman will be wary of him at first because she is not used to his type, so she will test him (shit test) to see if he is genuine or not. Then she starts to relax, and the rest is up to him.

By now you should have grasped the concept of inner game and its importance, how to control it, and you should also have a basic understanding of female logic. I'm not gonna go into crazy detail about that, because all you really need to know is what they want and why they test us. So now, I will go into the methods I use. They are incredibly simple, and I have been criticised over this - however, it is the simplest of weapons which prove the most deadly.

I've decided just to cover day game here because you can do it every day, whereas you can only realistically go to clubs a couple of nights a week and it's not exactly cost-effective. You don't need anyone with you for day game either.

I have 2 kinds of approach for day game. These are designed for approaching single women, not groups. You have been told that women of beauty are rarely found alone but through extensive research (ie. walking around the city and looking around a little) I have found this to be inaccurate. On weekdays, there are a lot of girls walking around by themselves because they have the day off work but none of their friends do, or their friends have other plans so they're just out to kill time and get away from the house. My heart bleeds for these poor women and you should approach the ones you like and liven up their day a little with these.

The layouts are as follows:

Method 1 - This is non threatening and you won't encounter any heavy shit tests too often. You will occasionally get shit tests.

1. Say hi, ask how she's doing.
2. Say you're good and ask something situational. Think on your feet here. You can ask if she knows any coffee places which accept cards and make a joke about nowhere being with the times, whatever suits you. While she answers you, get into a comfortable and relaxed position - lean against a wall or whatever is handy if you can.
3. Expand on that with a story which suits the situation. For example, how the last time you were on holiday the people looked at you funny for paying by cash and now that you're back everything seems really backwards. You can even make an observation... maybe she looks like she's still wearing her party clothes from the night before or something - same as before, think on your feet.
4. Tell her she's cool and you should get together some time. Wait for her reaction - she might shit test you, so deal with it (this is covered later) then go straight into your next sentence before she can reply. The following work very well but they're only variations so don't do them word for word:
4.1 (Instant date) - "I'm serious, we should get together next time I'm in town! But actually... I was just on my way to go back home so I guess we could just go somewhere now, right?" If she's busy she'll let you know and you can get her number instead.
4.2 (Number) - "I'm serious, we should get together next time I'm in town! I'll take your number cos I'm around here every couple of days, we can work something out later."
5. And that's it! If you settled for her number, talk a little about her plans for the day or whatever and tell her you'll call her later. Remember never to eject right after you get her number - it just looks bad.

Method 2 - Needless to say, this is very direct and as such it requires solid inner game. Make sure to keep your body language relaxed, and smile so you don't look too serious. This will catch her off guard and she will become defensive, so you need to be relaxed so as not to appear intimidating. With your smile and relaxed attitude to what you're doing, she will feel at ease and will actually open up very quickly to you. Either that or she'll get super pissed and walk off in anger, but this rarely happens - and it's funny as fuck when it does.

1. Say hi, ask how she's doing.
2. Say you're good, then get to the point. "Well, now that we've gotten formalities out of the way, I was just thinking."
3. Pause for effect or until she asks. Tell her, "I was just thinking, you and me would have a looot of fun together".
4. Deal with her shit tests. They will be heavy and she may even appear to be offended. This is a result of her believing in her own bullshit a little too much, but she'll relax after a minute or two.

As for those shit tests, you've come this far, so don't take back what you said or apologise or tell her you just wanna have coffee and get to know her or any of that shit. That's what average guys do and it's what she expects from you - remember, the whole point of this is to be exciting and different to what she's used to. You never said anything sexual, you just said you would have fun together... this works wonders because you let her make what she wanted of it, which allows you to see exactly where her mind is at. If she assumes you're being sexual then she is actually expressing her desires. Think about it. If she was a prude then she would avoid that thread of conversation entirely, would she not? However if she is a sexual person, and most of them are, she will know right away what you're after and might even ask straight away if you're hinting at it. And of course, she is expecting you to deny it. You should be learning by now, but if you haven't got it just yet: don't do what she expects you to do! Agree with her. As long as she's still in front of you she is showing interest and with some smooth talking she will reciprocate. I have an answer for everything so if you have any shit tests in mind which she may use, I'll be happy to help.

You'd be better off using method 1 before trying this though, just until you're comfortable doing cold approaches and get really confident and relaxed. Once you get to the stage that you know you can do it, and your inner game is way the fuck up there somewhere, you'll be ready to try it. Inner game is of utmost importance here because you can't be shaken by her shit tests or hesitate one little bit. You need to answer her smoothly and confidently, and you can't take anything she says seriously. If you need a couple of seconds to think of a response just look her in the eyes, smile and shake your head while you think.

Shit tests examined - as requested by Starfox.

Below is a list of the most common shit tests I encounter. It's important to jump straight back into things right after answering so you stay in control of the interaction.

Stage 1 tests - after you suggest getting together.

HB - "Um, are you serious?"
You - "Definately. So..."

HB - "I don't even know who you are."
You - "So?"
HB - "So..."
You - "Yeah, that's what I thought. So, like I was saying..."

HB - "Yeah, I don't think so."
You - "Is that right?"
HB - "Yeah..."
You - "You don't even know what we'd be doing though."
(usually she will assume you're talking about sex and jump straight into one of the stage 2 tests.)

HB - "Yeah right."
You - "Hey, that's great! I really like your attitude, you know that?"
HB - "I wasn't being serious."
You - "I know. So, like I was saying..."

After any of the S1 tests, you just have to tell her when you're free and when you wanna meet her. Such as: "So, like I was saying... you and me are gonna meet up and have a really good time together, alright? So would tomorrow suit you better or the day after?". After this, she may use another S1 test, in which case you simply answer it then jump straight back to which day she wants. This is usually enough to make her fold.

Stage 2 tests - if she assumes you're being sexual she will use these. Girls generally throw these into the mix after the S1 tests, and sometimes even while she is typing in her number.

HB - "OK, so what were you planning?"
You - "Stuff."
HB - "What kinda stuff?"
You - "A gentleman never tells."

She may just leave it at this stage but quite often a girl will try and get you to tell her what you're planning. These are the girls who know you have sex on the agenda and want to test your frame to see how forward you are. You can just tell her to be patient and she'll see when you meet her, and leave it at that, however at this stage she may get demanding and you will have to deal with the following:

HB - "I'm not one of those girls, you know... I'm not easy like that."
You - "I know. That's why I want us to get together. I don't like easy girls."

HB - "You better not want me for just one thing."
You - "Certainly not, I've got quite a few things in mind actually."
This will either earn you a playful hit on the arm or lead into some heavy flirting. You need to stay in control and don't get sucked into her frame. Keep your mind on setting up that meet with her.

As before, you may need to deal with a few variations of tests like this before she folds. Once she does, arrange the meet and chat a little before moving on. If you need more detail or I haven't included a shit test you're worried about, let me know so I can add it.


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Nice post!! thats the problem with most guys they don't understand female logic and fall prey to womens test
Method 2 is more my style being direct works more often than most people think

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good post dog, really enjoyed reading it! :D


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Good post, maybe you can give some examples of where you got out of the shit test by "smooth talking"


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Good post, maybe you can give some examples of where you got out of the shit test by "smooth talking"
Sure thing. I've added a section to the end of my original post which details the most common shit tests, how to deal with them, and where to go after getting them out of the way.


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I really like your post. it helps alot. keep it up my man


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This is money! Very simple but effective if used correctly with body language, tone, eye contact etc. Perfect for new guys with some inner game, none of that A2...C1 stuff. Great job Dalziel.

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Nice simple post, nice simple reply. Thanks.

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Hey guys, just wanna add a little update. I can't edit this into my original post, so here it is. I can't believe I left this out! I ran into it today so I figured it was an absolute must to add it here.

“I have a boyfriend”

This is some scary shit, especially the new guys. This is one of, if not, the most dreaded sentence a girl can utter. Nobody wants to hear this, and even a seasoned PUA can be thrown off balance by it if he hasn't had to deal with it in a while. The reason why this is such a pain in the ass is because it's almost impossible to know if she is telling the truth - and even if she is, she may only be saying it to relieve herself of responsibility should anything happen. This little line can either be a huge instance of ASD, a simple shit test, or a genuine response. She may be giving you blatantly obvious IOIs and still spring this one on you, and because you never know what she's thinking, you need a good all round response to use nomatter what she's thinking. It's extremely important not to come across as an asshole in cases like this, so you need something which shows you don't take her seriously but at the same time displays a level of understanding. So, what is this ultimate response? I have to admit that I only came up with this earlier today, a girl I was talking to told me she had a boyfriend after I went for her number... I don't know where it came from, but it's fucking gold.

"You're only saying that because you haven't got to know me yet."

Yep, that's it. Like I've said before though, it's not the initial line that gets the girl - it's how you deal with her responses to it. Obviously she isn't just gonna say, "Oh, you!", and cave in just like that. You need a bit of follow up banter aswell. So, that girl today... I told her, "I know you're not really used to guys talking to you like this out of the blue, so yeah I'd probably have said the same thing". She looked at me funny and I just knew she was thinking something like "who the fuck does this guy think he is, he doesn't know me!", so I decided to whip out the big guns. I went on to tell her about this one girl I know and how she hardly ever gets approached by guys because she's so hot and they're intimidated by her... she says stuff like that when guys actually do approach her, because it throws her off balance and she doesn't know how to act. Then I threw in a little joke to ease things up, "Can you believe that? It's just not fair, all the average looking girls have it so easy!". She laughed and kinda went red, and I was like "Yeah, you guys would get along... listen, I just wanna give you a call later on and talk for a while, that's cool right?" - and that was that.

Have fun, guys! I bet you're all hoping a girl springs this on you now so you can try it. :mrgreen:


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Hahaha not only is this shit funny but it's fucking good.

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Hey guys, just wanna add a little update. I can't edit this into my original post, so here it is. I can't believe I left this out! I ran into it today so I figured it was an absolute must to add it here.

“I have a boyfriend”

This is some scary shit, especially the new guys. This is one of, if not, the most dreaded sentence a girl can utter. Nobody wants to hear this, and even a seasoned PUA can be thrown off balance by it if he hasn't had to deal with it in a while. The reason why this is such a pain in the ass is because it's almost impossible to know if she is telling the truth - and even if she is, she may only be saying it to relieve herself of responsibility should anything happen. This little line can either be a huge instance of ASD, a simple shit test, or a genuine response. She may be giving you blatantly obvious IOIs and still spring this one on you, and because you never know what she's thinking, you need a good all round response to use nomatter what she's thinking. It's extremely important not to come across as an asshole in cases like this, so you need something which shows you don't take her seriously but at the same time displays a level of understanding. So, what is this ultimate response? I have to admit that I only came up with this earlier today, a girl I was talking to told me she had a boyfriend after I went for her number... I don't know where it came from, but it's fucking gold.

"You're only saying that because you haven't got to know me yet."

Yep, that's it. Like I've said before though, it's not the initial line that gets the girl - it's how you deal with her responses to it. Obviously she isn't just gonna say, "Oh, you!", and cave in just like that. You need a bit of follow up banter aswell. So, that girl today... I told her, "I know you're not really used to guys talking to you like this out of the blue, so yeah I'd probably have said the same thing". She looked at me funny and I just knew she was thinking something like "who the fuck does this guy think he is, he doesn't know me!", so I decided to whip out the big guns. I went on to tell her about this one girl I know and how she hardly ever gets approached by guys because she's so hot and they're intimidated by her... she says stuff like that when guys actually do approach her, because it throws her off balance and she doesn't know how to act. Then I threw in a little joke to ease things up, "Can you believe that? It's just not fair, all the average looking girls have it so easy!". She laughed and kinda went red, and I was like "Yeah, you guys would get along... listen, I just wanna give you a call later on and talk for a while, that's cool right?" - and that was that.

Have fun, guys! I bet you're all hoping a girl springs this on you now so you can try it. :mrgreen:
Although I agree that this is an effective way to deal with "boyfriends", I prefer not too get sucked and just ignore it.

Keeping my frame solid by not reacting or starting a new thread about it, plus it adds to any bad-boy "outrageous" frame that you have developed for yourself when you ignore the fact that she's techniqally "taken".


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Good post again Dalziel, one question.
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I went on to tell her about this one girl I know and how she hardly ever gets approached by guys because she's so hot and they're intimidated by
Do you reckon this conversation piece can be adapted into an opener?

Along the lines of 'hey, do you guys think great looking girls get approached less because men feel intimiated or more because they stand out?'

Kinda think its a subtle neg as you weren't put off approaching them.


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Amazing post Dalziel. This should be stickied with ALL the info you have posted about. Besides that, your post has taught me a lot. :D will keep in mind for future game.

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Although I agree that this is an effective way to deal with "boyfriends", I prefer not too get sucked and just ignore it.

Keeping my frame solid by not reacting or starting a new thread about it, plus it adds to any bad-boy "outrageous" frame that you have developed for yourself when you ignore the fact that she's techniqally "taken".
It's definately important to know what works for you and stick to it. Ignoring it doesn't seem to work for me, I've done that before by saying "that's nice" and re-closing, but girls would always say no and it'd cause problems. If it always works for you that's great though! It might be worth adding this to your arsenal incase she does bring him up a second time, better safe than sorry. :mrgreen:
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Do you reckon this conversation piece can be adapted into an opener?

Along the lines of 'hey, do you guys think great looking girls get approached less because men feel intimiated or more because they stand out?'
Definately. If I was to use it as an opener though, I'd say it like, "My friends and I have been talking about this for a while and they're starting to argue, so I wanna get some answers... I know this girl, she's really hot but she never gets approached by guys and it gets her down. Why do you think that is? I mean, she should have it easy, right?" This way, you're hinting that you hang around with really hot girls and it establishes good social proof aswell as giving you a legitimate reason to approach.
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Amazing post Dalziel. This should be stickied with ALL the info you have posted about. Besides that, your post has taught me a lot. :D will keep in mind for future game.
Hehe, thanks. It'd be cool to have this stickied, actually... might have to ask about that. :mrgreen:


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