I've read alot of material and i've started ross jefferies speed suduction work book, he explains he can create attraction by going for the right part of the brain( imagination), thats powerful isn't it? i know in the game he looks scummy but if its powerful why don't i see any pua's on this site that use speed suduction? is there something morally wrong with it? cause i'd say we should use whatever helps whos gives a rats ass about morals

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"Give me five minutes to talk away my face, and I'll bed the Queen of France." -Voltaire-

you are probably on your way to getting disliked as well.

Who gives a rat's ass about morals?

Unececarry and harsh man.

Ross Jeferies is generally looked down on because he uses a form of hypnotism on unvoluntary subjects to seduce them. He doesnt build comfort or create attraction naturally, but hypnotises them (against their will) into beleiveing they are attracted to him.

In some ways, it's powerful and interesting, but in others, it's amoral and unfair to the girl. She doesnt get a choice about it.

I'd argue that when I seduce women it's unfair for the woman too.

well of course i care, but when it comes to suduction, all is fair right?

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"Give me five minutes to talk away my face, and I'll bed the Queen of France." -Voltaire-

wtf are you talking about

nlp-seduction-vf127.html

Click that lolz
There's nothing inherently morally wrong with it, but you should still give many rats' asses about morals.
No. And can't you at least spell "seduction" correctly? I've noticed a trend over the years in this community... there seems to be a strong correlation between those that can't spell and those who lack morals. No joke. Strange.

Back on the real question, because style sort of bashed him in his book, and since Ross Jeffries represents NLP in this community, NLP is disliked. Though I'd like to say NLP is underrated, it is indeed powerful, not club material, works for me when I build comfort.

Lol, first off a lot of people use NLP, I use NLP. But like others, it's not the only thing we use. Second, RJ is a shithead. No doubt about it, SS works but he is a shithead.

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Well, it is like Style says in the Game... You choose a dojo and a master. Most people stick with that.

I personally am in it for more than just the closes and the HBs. I want to know and understand how this social interaction is all about, how people work. I think it is good to study many aspects of seduction. Or as Mystery calls it, attraction.
Seduction has a negative sound to it and implies that you trick someone into liking you. Attraction is simply a matter of knowing what characteristics to show.

When approacing a woman she will do everything in her power to separate the winners from the losers, that is why there are so many things that has to work in order to get attraction. You have to be interesting, fun, pass shit tests, you know the drill.
After you have gone through and got the girl, she will eventually discover who you really are. She will discover if you have these characteristics you displayed during your game. If not, she will dump you and what... She has lost about 7 hours of her life, do I care? No!
If you do have these qualities, which I believe most of us do, you are just fine.

If you are only in the game for the one night stands, well, if you get her into bed... She has sex with the person she thinks you are. She will enjoy it.

LAWL!

Nothing is wrong with his methods. It is about closing and well its the fastest way to do it. I recommend watching some of his youtube videos. just type in his name or speed seduction.

You took the words right out of my mouth...

Ross Jeffries just wants your money. He is a poor sport and publicly discredits other gurus becuase he is jealous of their success. THAT is the epitomy of DLV. Shithead is an understatement.

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Its not the material-----Its the Execution

Ok...I'm gonna say that Ross Jeffries is not the best PUA guru to emulate or look up to because he is more than a little bit wierd and his speed seduction method is not as applicable as MM or C & F. I know because I have Ross Jeffries home study course...
But, go to the Speed Seduction web site and have a view of his videos of his classes in session and listen to the few things that he says. They make perfect sense and are more to the philosophy of life and dating than any particular PUA method. One specific one came to me which was "You can't get blown out of the set cause the whole world is your set" and I felt that Ross hit the nail right on the head with that one. Having such a philosophy makes me far less fearful of approaching sets and getting scared of blown out or crashing & burning.
Also, if anyone subscribes to Ross's e-news, he recently gave short advice to a guy in Sydney who is 37 yrs old and believes that he is ugly and has to date, no success with any woman. Ross related his own background to him and it showed how much emotional suffering he had been through and because of that, he could relate to this poor man.
In short, Ross Jeffries is not a perfect man and his Speed Seduction method is not perfect as well but don't ever forget that he was an AFC like everyone else and that his views on life and PUA is shaped by his experience. Also, without him, the entire PUA community might never have existed at all

Good god I can't finish that thing. It's seems really unstructured and I don't feel like I'm internalizing much from it at all. I gave up on Ross Jeffries's style of teaching Speed Seduction and I'm currently going through Dave Riker's Speed Seduction Technical Manual audio program. I've been through the first disk and so far it's really promising.