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PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 5:04 pm 
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This past Thursday night was my last night sarging in Seoul, South Korea for this summer. I was out with a family friend named Kyle, who isn't a PUA. He's just a normal guy. Not so much of a natural, but certainly not an AFC.

So we're running this 2-set of Korean girls (with very decent English-speaking abilities) and we Accomplishment Intro each other, building each other up like good men do. His target is actually this girl he's known for a while but has never bedded. Let's call her HBDanceMoves. She's got some sweetass dance moves. I mention that I'm a Psychology major to HBVeryShy and run the cube on her. I love shy girls. They're adorable.

There were several interruptions from other guys (talking to both me and her) and also one from HBDanceMoves while I was running the cube on her, but I was easily able to get back on track at will because she was so intrigued by the routine.

Apparently Kyle is one-itising HBDanceMoves at this point. He sees her giving her number to another guy and he flips out and verbally expresses his resentment to her. She and HBVeryShy leave the venue. HBDanceMoves is pissed as hell.

I go to the bathroom to take a piss and return to find no Kyle. He was actually still in the venue, just in the opposite side, but I step outside to check if he left. I ain't gonna let him ditch me like that! I haven't seen that dude in years before this night. Who else do I find outside but HBDanceMoves and HBVeryShy. They're moping around and being sad bunnies. I show some support to HBDanceMoves and inspire the two to come back inside the venue with me.

We get back in and we all start dancing because dancing is awesome. I run dancefloor game on both the girls because it's fun shit. My target, HBVeryShy isn't very kino-compliant because she's shy and not a very kinesthetic person (personality type). HBDanceMoves, however, has some DAMN fine dance moves and we grind and dance, grind and dance. I take her hand and twirl her around. I pick her up and spin her around. BT is all over the place. HBVeryShy is trying to dance. She gets an A for effort.

I notice Kyle over in the corner, watching us, so I leave the girls for a moment to go talk to him.

Chief: Come dance with us, man. I brought HBDanceMoves back.
Kyle: Nah, I'm done with her. Plenty of fish in the sea.
Chief: Well don't just stand there, it's dance time!
Kyle: I just haven't found a girl I want to dance with yet. (There are girls everywhere. He has AA, and he isn't willing to learn pickup from me.)
Chief: Alright, man. Suit yourself.

I could tell that he still had feelings for HBDanceMoves because I'm emotionally intelligent. It's a learnable quality you get from in-field experience. I could also tell that HBDanceMoves still had strong feelings for Kyle because I'm not a dumbass. It's a quality you can get if you don't drink all your brain cells away. Her emotional investment in Kyle was too obvious.

I get back to dancing with the girls and the kino gets pretty heavy between me and HBDanceMoves. She's a VERY kinesthetic girl who responds very well to dancefloor game. HBVeryShy, however, is not. HBDanceMoves's BT is hot hot hot. I pull her close to grind some more, but this time she leans her face in and tilts her head a bit while changing her eyes to bedroom-mode. We're inches away from a make-out.

I reject her by not responding to it. I just keep dancing. No way was I going to steal Kyle's target from right under his nose. Bros before hos, duh. I was dancefloor gaming her just to have fun dancing (and see if I could dancefloor game HBVeryShy), not to close HBDanceMoves.

After a little while, HBDanceMoves goes over to Kyle and it looks as though they are making up. I "dance" with HBVeryShy. Trying to dance with a girl who isn't as nearly as awesome as you on the dancefloor is a little frustrating lol... but I didn't let it get to me.

Kyle leads us all outside and says he's heading back home... and he takes HBDanceMoves's hand and takes her with him, leaving me isolated with HBVeryShy. Lookin good so far.

She and I take taxis to bounce to different bars until we find one that's actually open. It's fucking late. During our taxi adventure and our time at this late-night bar, I run all of my best material... but kino escalation is slow and dragging. I eventually end up sitting with my arm around her at the bar, talking to her with our faces very close. By this time I had already done some NLP, I elicited her values, bullshitted some playful palm reading, wrote and drew all over her hands, anchored her core values to me, demonstrated plenty of value, cold read like it was going out of style, exposed vulnerabilities, elicited her vulnerabilities, push-pulled, etc... but apparently NOTHING WAS FUCKING WORKING. I email-closed and number-closed her, but is that really game? Not at this point.

In our rapport building I learned that she broke up with her ex-boyfriend two months ago and she was still hung up about it. She still had a picture of him and her for her cell-phone wallpaper. Sure, I inspired her to change the picture with my routines that have to do with living in the moment, but I still could not kiss-close. I persisted and did the whole 1-step-back then 2-steps-forward thing, but I still could not kiss-close. Nothing was working. I might as well have been talking to a plant.

My obstacles were:
1. Her ex-boyfriend in her mind.
2. Hardcore old-fashioned Korean social conditioning.

If anyone knows a thing or two about Korean culture and sexuality, you'll know what I'm talking about. This ain't Japan.

I am hoping that I am wrong, though. I am hoping there could have been a way to obliterate these obstacles, or reframe them, so that they would no longer be roadblocks. This is where I ask for help and feedback from you guys. Any ideas?


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PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 9:15 pm 
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That was a great post. I've got nothing for you but I've been to Korea several times in the Navy and closing there was a nightmare! We did get into a bar fight and get arrested though! hahahhahah

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Super detailed during the whole post and I appreciate some insights you gave me.


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Honestly I can't see any way to make it work faster for you. This is one of those slower works in progress. Like you said, you're not in Japan. Maybe if you stop worrying so much about closing, she may pick up on it and lighten up a bit. Good luck.

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I hear plants grow better if you talk to them... Just thought I should add that.

She was still devoted to her ex. Not much you can do about that.

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finaly u are in korea.
i have waited for this haha
keep sarging and posting FR.
u must also tell me if u have problems with ur height?? i m curious about that...

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u must also tell me if u have problems with ur height??
No because I haven't even given it a single thought. I would have had many problems if I were to let myself worry about that silly stuff... but I don't.


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I don't think I can tell you anything that you didn't already try. You did some of the greatest routines ever, I can tell your really experienced! Don't worry, it's not that you didn't do good. It's because your target was still hung up on her ex. If not for that, you would of had her. Thanks for the detailed post.


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Korea is a difficult animal to master. It can be hit or miss depending on skill but even then I can't see anything you could've done differently.

4 Best Rules for Seoul (for when you go back or for anyone):

1. Girl who smokes (it isnt socially acceptable for Korean girls to smoke so that shows she is spurning conservative Korean values)

2. Itaewon can be hit or miss - some girls no matter what you do you just can't get them.

3. Lotte Hotel/Complex - LOADS of J-girls and J-women come here to stay and do shopping excursions because it's cheaper than Japan. The hotel bar especially is a great spot - work your game and you will be in her hotel room that night.

4. KoreanCupid.com - for 20 bucks a month you will have access to loads of girls in Korea with decent English skills who many times specifically are looking for a foreigner. Game them and work quickly to get them in an offline setting.

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