Hey guys....is it exactly a DLV if you say "i don't dance". It seems that most people here talk about "how good of a dancer they are/salsa dancing", etc....wut if i just don't want to do it?

I've tried grinding a few times(and NOT a lot, so i probably feel not in sync with the girl due to lack of practice)....but i just feel stupid doing it. I'm an athlete so i'm sure if i practiced a lot i'd get it down, but fact is....that's a lot of looking stupid in public for awhile. Not to mention looking bad to the girl. I like lap dances tho, makes my job easy. What do u guys think?

Here's the thing; you don't have to dance to pick up women. I'm assuming we're talking club situation.

The problem with not dancing as you then need to do something else to be perceived as non-AFC. Girls in a club are not there to talk politics and economics, they're looking for somebody interesting, fun, spontaneous, outrageous...

If you're dancing, your mindset is already so much better. I didn't dance when younger and it's difficult to sideline and not come off as a misery. It is easier to approach with a smile if you let yourself enjoy it.

So IMO, dancing helps your game. Maybe go somewhere which plays music you're happy with dancing to, I don't know.

regular club dancing isn't hard, just pay attention to what everyone around you is doing for moves and learn/adapt to fit yourself.

dancing is also a GREAT way to kino and quickly escalate the attraction she has for you, i also enjoy using the time to gather my head... and rethink my overall game plan, since dancing is kinda mindless and i don't think very well on my toes

I believe it was in the words of Mystery, " The dance floor is a trap."

If you are for sure a skilled dancer then dancing is a strong DHV. If you suck, then YOU SUCK.

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You don't have to do. But if you do - it's hot - a huge attraction booster.
I've numerous times made a girl hot and horny only by dancing with her.

I'm not a dancer. I'll openly admit that I suck at it and girls will agree. But they don't give a shit and they still have fun dancing with me and it doesn't hurt me at all, cause I just don't give a shit. I learned that from "looking like an idiot in public" for a really long time as you put it.

If you want to be a good dancer, take some lessons or have a good dancer teach you a few things. If you don't want to be a good dancer, then learn to just not care and you have fun just letting loose. Then you'll be able to get in sync with girls, cause you'll be less stiff and much more relaxed. Then you only go on the floor when you're going to dance with a girl that you've been running game on and not to pick up.

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"The 'Brick Walls' are there to allow you to prove how badly you want something!" ~ Randy Pausch

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The dance floor is only area to avoid if your let it become a hypnotic trap. DO NOT go into a club and stand on the side lines. I see those guys all the time and think back to the days when I was on the side lines staring at the dance floor holding my drink with my buddies. In my experience, looking stupid on the dance floor is no big deal. I agree whole heartedly with Rye Lee. Being a fool on the dance floor is fun. Period. And, it gives you a great chance to DHV. Showing the girls that you have a sense of humor about yourself and not giving a fuck about looking stupid. Having the guts to go have a good time on the dance floor completely trumps being an awkward two-left-footed dancer. Period. Falling into the uncountable side-line guys sneering is the worst thing to do.

When you know how to move its a huge DHV, if you're a 'terrible' dancer it huge DLV. Problem is if you rufuse to dance you could be labelled as boring (by girls).
When it comes to grinding it is'nt that difficult, its the girl who's got the hard part.
I was grinding with this girl the other week, i think she was about to explode right there, she was just like 'lets go' (have sex). Its like a sexuel act in itself.
Start going out clubbing with women, you'll be dancing like micheal jackson in no time.

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Agreed.
Amen. I do think well on the fly, but dancing gives me a lot of time to recalibrate and plan. And I'm very good at it, so I get a lot of DHV and social proof out of it, and yeah, a lot of kino. As I've said elsewhere, I go salsa dancing at least once a week, and almost all of my pickups involve dancing at some point early on. There's undeniable value in it. But...
I also agree with this. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em and at least have a good time. You don't have to be the best dancer in the room...it's about having fun. That's infectious. If you're having a good time, others will too, and they'll look at you and want to have that good time WITH you. The whole world isn't Dancing with the Stars. Don't let it become some kind of exclusive enclave in your head. Though I would advise lessons in the long-term.

Pickup is a performing art. If you're not willing to push past your comfort zone to look stupid in front of people (while being fine with it), you CAN'T be a PUA.

This is why Jlaix makes his students do Karaoke. Singing on stage is very analogous to running a set.

Thats a fair point about performance... my advice would be if you cant dance and dont want to look stupid in public... then invest the money in some dance classes and look stupid behind closed doors...

I took a short course in Street dance/Popping and I found it helps because people will also watch you and then come up to you after asking you about it.

ACTUALLY you know what - Youtube... Type in popping or waving and watch some of them... Poppin Pete is the foremost originator of popping and his moves are ill... I've not searched grinding but will do later... theres all kinds of tutorials on there... if battling takes your fancy check out "Salah" hes one of the most animated B-Boy dancers really funny to watch.

Numpty

I've just re-read what I put and I need to add a bit more for any of you that are looking at learning popping!!!!

Ok if you do that search on youtube you'll see lots of Electro Boogaloo... I learnt this aswell and its very limited... you can only really do it well in 70s/80s funk/soul bars which SADLY there just isnt enough off... I'm 24 and have gone right back and wish so hard there were more clubs near me playing this kinda stuff -

Anyway this is a good video a bit quick and the music is ok for it...
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mi59L3Cx9 ... re=related

The idea with popping is that you listen to the music and pick a beat/sample or high-hat and you 'pop' your body into shapes in time with the beat... sometimes referred to as "Robotics" "Liquid" whatever... if anyone wants so basic tutorials on this stuff its all on youtube or message me and if theres enough response I'll consider making a basic video.

Last point... You wont see many poppers at clubs unless they are professional dancers or just really good, so if you and a few mates learn it and learn it well you'll be having a circle of people watching you in no time at all which gives you LOADS of attention and girls to open after you finish your 'set'.

Again this is only the way I've gone forward with it - worked for me but everyone has their own styles!

Numpty

I guess most people can learn to dance if they want to. The awesomeness here in Sweden is that no guys really can't dance. 85% just stand on the dancefloor swinging back and forth a bit and touches as many asses they can while standing there. So that means that taking Rye Lees advice for me is awesome. Since even if i just look lame, but having really fun and don't give a shit I will show off so much more DHV than 80% of all the other guys. the other 20% is devided 10/10 between guys having very fun dancing and don't give a shit and those last 10% who actually can dance and follow the rythm.

Question Following Rye Lees advice don't giving a shit, would it be better to
1. Actually try but still don't give a shit that you suck
2. Doing silly stuff like lame dancemoves. Bad attempts at robot moves/moonwalking etc? (to be funny)
3. Try to show off as much/slightly higher energy than the girls you are dancing with?

Also a question to you good dance out there. I have had a feeling that I tend to dance to tight. Not move around enough and do small movements. Liek stand very still with the feet etc. When i try to do bigger movements it feels like they "look" worse but somewhere in my head it just says that it should look better?

/Chris T

All 3.

1. I move with the rythm a lot. I'm very passionate about music, I like to sing and such, so I just start singing (yeah, I don't give a fuck if it's Britney Spears, or Marilyn Manson) and move to the music. I do my best attempts at Liquid, Popping, Robot, Jive, or whatever else I can throw in that will work depending on if I'm by myself or with a partner. I'm sure I look ridiculous, but I'm having a blast, so they don't care and they have fun too.

2. I do HORRIBLE dance moves, like The Lawnmower, The Shopping Cart, The Swim, The Sprinkler, etc. Fun as hell and usually I blow out guys that can dance like professionals because they don't have a clue what to do with it and because I'm serious about how fun it is, I'm confident in the fact that people are gonna dig it.

3. I've turned a dance floor into a mosh pit in order to demonstrate my energy was higher than a girl and everyone else on the floor just stood there staring at us as we jumped up and down, bumping chests, pushing and throwing each other around with big stupid grins on our faces.

Notice the key element to all those approaches isn't WHAT I'm doing, but HOW I'm doing it. I'm always ALWAYS having fun and confident that no one is gonna fuck with my fun cause I'm cool looking like an idiot and don't give a shit what anyone else thinks.

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Getting on the Dance floor has its place and time.

I agree that the dance floor is a trap if your trying to "open" on it. Meaning don't go out there and try to dance with girls you havent opened yet... well unless you have a pivot/pawn and know how to use her specific to that situation. The trap I see guys falling into is going out there dancing it up with a girl for a couple songs getting all hot and heavy then the song ends... the girl walks off. And Now your Dancefloor guy, it's getting pidgeonholed just like LJBF it's like LJBDP (Dance Partners)... Its hard to transition because now she closed the set on her terms, not you, and if you follow her your supplicating and showing neediness.

Plus you get guys like me who open sets who I've seen very recently leave a guy on the dance floor... why? Buying temp, she's all hot and heavy and he just got tossed aside... not to sound like a dick, but that guy did a bunch of work for me, nice of him.


Now conversely with a girl who you've already opened and have established mutual attraction with, either through A3 or SOI depending on your method... Then my friend dancing can be MONEY. Because she's going to get all kino'ed up etc, and then she leaves the dance floor, but this time WITH you... plus it's a move (in MM) so extra comfort.

As for how I personally dance when I get pulled out there... sounds almost the same as Rye Lee. I dance around like a mad man, I look stupid and I know it... but guess what? I don't care because I'm havin fun!

The dance floor is like playing with fire, harness it and you have something quite usefull... but misuse it and prepare to get burned.