Actually the appendix is an enormous risk, and should probably be weeded out. However, natural selection has changed enormously in recent times as infections of the appendix can be cured with medication or surgery.
Heh...no. I haven't read the book, so I can't say if you are right or wrong about Diamond's take on it, but males don't breastfeed because they can't. They lack any sort of mammary gland development. Men don't breast feed babies for the same reason that women cannot develop prostate cancer. You need the mechanical structures.

As to why they have nipples, there is probably a simpler explanation--all fetuses up to 14 weeks of age look the same and develop the same structures. Breasts just happen to be one of those structures that develop early for whatever reason. After testosterone is produced after week 14, it inhibits female sex characteristics, and causes make characteristics--descended testes, penile growth, etc.


Interestingly, as Robin Baker suggests in his popular science book Sperm Wars, and David Buss before her, the woman will probably seek out two different kinds of mates--one to provide for her children (the husband) and one to give her children (the untamed lover). The provider gives her support and will care for her children, but ideally, she finds a lover who will actually have sex with her and will give her the sort of healthy, non-needy babies that she desires.

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If a guy with an appendix still has a baby, evolution doesnt care about the pain and suffering the darn thing caused him during his life. Unless appendexis start killing off alot of people for a long time, it will stay a lil while longer.

Some speculate that the appendix aided in digesting roughage in prehistoric diets. Darwin actually argues that the existence of the appendix further proves evolution, as it was useful for herbivorous ancestors and has stuck around because appendicitis doesn't occur on such a large scale as to cause it to be weeded out.

It's doesn't "care" about pain and suffering, but pain and suffering AND the unnecessary additional energy needed to build and maintain an appendix is inefficient and will ultimately decrease the general survival rate of those people with it opposed to those without it. The population WITH an appendix will be gradually weeded out of the gene pool.

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Lo' there do I see the line of My People, back to the beginning.
Lo' they do call to me, they bid me take my place among them.
in the Halls of Valhalla, where the brave may live forever.

People seem to not be reading the entirety of the thread--an appendix is NOT a spandrel, but rather a vestigial organ. I misspoke.

Whatever it's former function was is irrelevant.

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Lo' there do I see the line of My People, back to the beginning.
Lo' they do call to me, they bid me take my place among them.
in the Halls of Valhalla, where the brave may live forever.

It didn't seem you where saying the same thing I was saying, but more saying to display as high of a value as possible. Not one that you can maintain and hang on to.
Women are wired in general to find the best mate to have sex with so that they can give birth to a baby with the best genes possible to survive. With media now being around for a while, women are also "trained" to find a guy that has "husband" traits as well, besides the whole gene thing.
I get the whole DHV thing and to a certain degree I disagree with it. Saying that not all women are looking for a husband, so to display "husband" traits is pretty darn useless for one. Not only that the whole "don't give a shit" is not about "I am better than you", its more about not worrying about things and letting go. Plus its about displaying behavior and attitude that shows that the guy is not looking to settling down or even looking for a serious relationship. Displaying and/or showing the "husband" traits shows that the guy wants a serious relationship and/or marriage down the road.

If you don't worry about things she does worry....Its just like saying I'm better than you.

This happened to me a couple weeks ago.

A couple of my friends and I went to this new pizza joint with a couple girls I didn't knew....we were in the car going there. Eventually in the conversation, we started talking about prostitutes. A girl dared a friend of mine to open the window, and say to any random woman: So... how much do you charge for the night?.

He got embarrassed... didn't got enough courage. So later I talked to the girl about social dynamics and how we are designed to live in 50 people communities, so we get AA and stuff like that. But now we live with millions of others in huge cities. So feeling selfconscious about things like what just happened in the car was kind of dumb.

There was no need to worry about...who cares about what other people thinks...If theres millions others? That person isn't that important..so why care about what that woman thinks?

She told me: "Wow...thats so cool, I hope I could think in that way"

She got attracted to me because I didn't care about stuff she did. In her mind I had higher value than her.

Since attraction is not a choice, women cant decide if they find attractive the traits of a "husband" or a "player". Evolutions makes the choice.

Maybe I was not being clear enough. I wasn't talking about the traits of a potential husband, but the traits of a potential mate. A Woman's emotions don't know the difference between sex for fun and sex to reproduce. The attractive characteristics are just like boobs, you can marry either marry or just have sex with a girl with nice breasts. Your intentions doesn't matter, the boobs just got you attracted.

I disagree. Being arrogant and snobbish and what have you to me is saying I am better than you. I am not saying to do that at all.
This is basically what I am saying with the don't give a shit. I don't actually mean not to give a shit. I think another way of putting it, is to say don't get all uptight about things.
I disagree with this to a certain extent. Because I think what society deems attractive does play a part as well.
I see, we where calling the same thing by different names.

Nope - All wrong lol...sorry to be an arrogant jerk.

The reason PU works is because thinking he is a PUA makes a guy THINK he is following a proven method, which causes him to become more open and confident and willing to take a woman. He thinks it is the PU teachings but it is really himself.

There is nothing wrong with that, no dis to PU teachers, but i think that is all it is. The rest is obvious
high social position + good health = happiness = confidence
Social Intelligence + confidence = PUA = virility(ability to get laid)
Strong, confident, Virile mate = strong, confident, virile offpring

In a way, I guess a book-learned PUA has "fake" confidence, or at least is unleashing inner confidence and displaying his manupilative intelligence. Which is why it works.

Nope, sorry to be an arrogant jerk too, but thats wrong.

Having a proven method doesnt helps succeeding in any way. This is not a videogame, where you can just do things a certain way to beat the boss. You need skills, and you dont get those by reading a how-to-do guide, you get them by practice. Besides, any method requires a theoretical background, built over observations of reality to exist. The reason the method work is because it uses the observed reality to construct a set of rules and laws that give you and idea of how things work. Following the rules you can succeed.

Just building a method doesnt makes Pick up work. The forces behind the methods (how attraction works) are the ones that make it work.

I've seen hundreds of guys that knew all the methods and readed all the books, and still dont get girls. The method doesnt get you laid, building attraction does.

You are confusing inmediate causes with final causes.

The inmediate cause is: The PUA learns a method and gets the girl

The final cause is: The PUA uses the mechanisms of atteaction to get the girl

true to PUA teachings i will continue to be arrogant and tell you that you didn't even read my post. I said that the guys THINK they are following a proven method, and that gives confidence, not that the method makes them score.

So you are saying that the pick up arts are just a placebo?

Just having confidence would get you the girls?

There's a lot of guys with huge confidence. They are aproach machines, fear no rejection or failure.

Thats cool, but if you cant build attraction you cant get the girl.

Mystery says that is better to have competence that confidence. Is better knowing hoe to do stuff that just being fearless. Like if you are jumping out of an airplane, probably you want to know how to open the parachute, even if you are a little bit scared...than just being the daredevil that doesn't knows what string to pull to open the parachute.

If you aproach a girl, without having any game, and with huge confidence you can easily come across as creepy.

Many men don't have confidence issues, but get stuck on LJBF often. Thats not a confidence issue, is an attraction one.

Its cool to have the balls to do anything, but its much cooler to have the brains to do things right.

I'm under the impression that you consider that confidence alone is the one that makes PU work, and maybe disregarding the method as just a placebo (thats the power of words). If I'm right...then you are hopelessly wrong.

You need to build attraction too...by being funny, smart, and all the other traits we PUAs think are worthy of having.

I'm a little scared every time I open a set. Maybe I even feel a little un confident if the girl is hot enough. But I can build attraction, and that gets me the girl.

Even when I had no confidence, girls felt attracted to me because the skills I learned made me an attractive guy.

Why people have sex? Cause they feel attraction between them. If some guy is confident, thats not going to make him attractive. Confidence is an attractive trait, but only to some extent.

Inner game is useless without outer game....and the other way around

I believe that the fundamental problem with most of these PUA/Seduction styles is that they focus on Tactics and Speed. It sounds great to be able to seduce a women in minutes and this is the draw to these courses and camps.

Consider that, a highly skilled martial artist takes their time knowing that their Strategy and Principles will ultimately dominate their opponent, they never would be so foolish as to try and rush many fancy techniques. A better plan for them is to look at their natural talents, learn the basics of fighting and then carve out a style/strategy that they will hone.

So I propose, that instead of focusing on more techniques and more courses and so on, take a step back, breath, relax and learn a few fundamentals and go from there. (ie. Keep Them in Suspence - What Comes Next?) Take your time. Don't be IMPATIENT or NEEDY!

There are a few good sources on Principles out there, follow them.

FYI I have always been decent with women and still am, I am usually in a relationship with a girl that most guys are envious of... to get high quality girls you need to have a high quality seduction and that doesn't happen in 7 + or - 3 hrs!!! It takes me a few weeks to lock in a good one... although I have definetly had my share of 1 nighters, they are rarely as high quality as the ones that take longer.

Lastly, don't be afraid to be an AFC and be nice sometimes, AFC's are AFC's not because they buy women drinks and flowers, it's because they are fearfull and don't value themselves high enough (Value Takers). Trust in yourselves and take your time with your seductions!!!

People are good!

Take care young Jedi

I believe what mystery says about how we're only programmed to do 2 things and that's to Survive and Replicate. And the reason women like to have sex in private.... That's just social conditioning, not evolutionary conditioning.

There is some evidence that private sexual behavior, like public eating, is a sociobiological behavior.

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Lo' there do I see My Father.
Lo' there do I see the line of My People, back to the beginning.
Lo' they do call to me, they bid me take my place among them.
in the Halls of Valhalla, where the brave may live forever.