OK I'm going to some up my view on this.

1. Chris obviously has kick ass inner game, and all the power to him.
2. Chris like other talented individuals has the ability to walk right up to a group and directly go for the chick straight away. Smooth talker style. It's nothing new or revoloutionary, it's a style of pick up and dating that has been around mankind on day 1.
3. I currently see no need to slander MM, its helped a lot fo people including myself.
4. I am all for the enouragement of natual game whether it is indirect or direct.
5. I think the developement of Assumed attraction to allow PUA's to be more direct whether they use indirect or direct game, is definatly a good thing and should be encouraged.
6. Still no reason to hate MM it works, and it can work quite quickly.

I blow Mystery Method guys out of the water and take girls from them because they waste so much time unnecessarily hiding their motives that I come up and am upfront on a primal. raw sexual level and grab the girls attention.

Mystery Method works because it exists on a three part teir of effectivness which I realized having been through all three:

AFC --> indirect with no social prowice with no effective sexual communication

Mystery Method PUA --> indirect with social prowice and delayed and often falsified (negged, false-disqualified, ect) sexual communication.

Direct game --> Blatant, unapologetic and honest sexual communication which is straight and to the point.

A Mystery Method PUA could steal a woman from an AFC and a direct PUA can steal a woman from the Mystery Method pick-up artist; it all goes with how up-front, straightforward and unapologetic about intentions you are willing to be; Mystery Method can work quite quickly as I am well aware but it will NEVER work quickly enough to compete with an honest and direct approach.

If it were quick enough I would not have stolen women from many Mystery Method PUAs by going direct and immediatley enticing a woman while a seemingly AFC man was asking about her opinion on what to name their two dogs. Direct sexual communication is the natural way; there is nothing more powerful than what is natural and honest.

- Chris

It's official this is a "Yay me I'm the best, I'm right, and theirs fuck all you can do about it." However, you sir, worked hard to get where you are and you do deserve respect, I mwould consider you talented

1. I never said what you or mystery created was revoloutionary, I said it has been around for ages.

2. You cannot claim MM is based on what people do indirectly to get girls, and then claim MM is unnatural, when it was a translation of natural interactions.

3. Many PUA's struggle when a guy enters their set, especially when the guy is balsy enough to hit it directly, it mind blows the girl and the PUA simultaneously.

4. I have only ever had to face off vs a PUA entering my set, I'm pretty certain he was direct (he mentioned gunwitch when I spoke to him later). I blew him out by twisting his direct approach so it looked needy and desperate. We all have the ability to "steal girls" of oneanother. It's the PUA who gets the chick, not the style or method he used.

5. My schools headboy; muscular, incredibly intellegent, confident to the point of arrogance (but it never shows). He gets absoloutly no-where with women, he is alpha, he is confident, he is upfront, but he's a social failure with chicks. Fantasic PU isn't about being confident, its so much more.

Thank you but I do not think I am the best; I don't believe I am better than anyone else however the Mystery Method does suck compared to direct and if you gave them equal chance I am 99% certain you would come to the same conclusion.
Fair enough.
Think of the Michael Jackson trial; it really happened and there was a re-enacment with actors on TV. The re-enactment didn't have people expressing their own personality or themselves but people reading from a script which is a reitteration of something someone else did; Mystery Method PUAs simply mimic the naturals. If mimicking someone else was natural there would be no need for acting schools. Mystery Method teaches men to be actors and Neil Strauss even blatantly called people who use it "social robots"; they need an alternate persona to auto-pilot them in to attracting a woman because their natural personality can't measure up. Moreover they spend far longer getting to the social hook point then necessary; it can be done in under two sentences.

They did it without needing a structure; it was who they were. They don't have a "pick-up artist" to turn on when they need it but are always a pickup artist - it is them. that is the difference between Mystery and myself. I don't give men a seperate persona to turn on when they need it but turn them in to true alpha males.

It was natural when the original guys did it but is not natural when Mystery Method students borrow this format and copy it. Natural's don't have congruence issues with being attractive to woman because they're not learning to act. If Mystery Method students were the same as naturals their actions wouldn't cause congruence issues.
Then he wasn't very good; I have worked for years with many people and have only seen this occur with a direct practicioner who has a flaw in their inner game and presentation.
He doesn't understand sexual communication; you don't need a script for that, fantastic PU is about confidence; it's the most important key! It must be supplimented however with knowledge and understanding. Your friend probably doesn't understand how to speak to a woman on her own sexual level.

I am going to hate the Mystery Method because it is inferior to direct and until you've mastered both you won't truly understand; it warps your view on what's right. However you have obviously made your choice and are content with indirect and asking women opinions you don't care about the waiting to do the battle of values to prove yourself to her instead of simply telling her I like you and want to get to know her.

I'd recommend however that you give equal time to mastering both before you make your judgement however.

- Chris

MM allows a quick breakdown of one particular way to sexually communicate with a woman, I've spent roughly one of my three months doing direct, I didn't really feel it was affecting my results. I currently have a personal mix to come in indirect just getting to know everybody and having fun, then once I have someone picked out or a feel I want too escalate I become more direct. I just feel natural this way, its my particular method and I like it, I could go indirect all the way, and I could go direct all the way, but I don't.

I used almost pure MM for my first week of PU, I never once compromised my personaltiy, its just bad practise, and if you're gonna take a chick home and let her see your house/room shes gonna see our stuff and she'll very quickly peice together who you are.

Indirect; yes it hides one of your "feelings", but thats kinda what we do when we date... ..all of us. It's why we have foreplay, sex would be kinda pointless if we just got it up and jack hammerred away for 5 minutes, zipped up nd went "I'm done see you next week".

Chicks use indirect flirtation as well.. That shows it's kinda a natural process.

Infact, if anything is unnatural it is direct, I mean "how many guys actually do what you do?" but thats what I feel gives it so much power and charm, that it is straight forward and generally catches people on the backfoot, with its barefaced honesty.

All PU sytems teach you to act alpha, becuase after you act the good posture and body laungauge, it becomes natural, and the ability that these PU systems give you helps with the confidence needed for the Alpha male psyche. (however I would prefer it if guys did some non-PU related things for confidence; like play sports or study a subject or take on more responsibility at work.)

No one instantly becomes alpha, they just learn it. No natural becoming of an alpha is instantaneous "real" alpha males are usually the result of a lifetime of achievement encouragement and sucess.

One month is not enough for most people to get direct, solid and consistent. One thing I found is that what people say they feel natural with is really what they feel comfortable with; if they try to step outside that zone and try something that demands more inner game they don't feel natural.

lol sex would be pointless without foreplay but hey then again.

I disagree with you how ever I think it is the most natural and I think people's core beliefs and society programs limit what they believe is possible which is why your average guy isn't doing it but also as you said if everyone used it, it wouldn't have it's power and charm but then again neither would indirect.

It's not as simple however as getting body language, posture or speech and having the rest follow naturally; people need to understand the mechanics of it. However one will not work without the other.

One the instant-alpha people can turn themselves into alphas instantly once they learn the mechanics of it but it takes time to master and perfect.

However you have my respect and although I disagree with ANY form of hiding intentions or using indirect; I believe humans were meant to express themselves directly, I respect that you can approach this diplomatically.

- Chris

No offence, but I stopped reading around about here, because that is the exact opposite of what Mystery teaches.

Fake [feyk]:
1. Something that is a counterfeit; not what it seems to be
2. Prepare or make (something specious, deceptive, or fraudulent)
3. To conceal the defects of or make appear more attractive, interesting, valuable, etc., usually in order to deceive.
4. To pretend; simulate

You know what you're right! Being fake isn't what Mystery is about at all; Adding fake disqualifiers, fake time constraints, fake inslults, fake stories [pre-rehearsed], befriending groups of people you don't care about to with the ulterior motive of getting to the girl while faking disinterest in a girl you want to plow is not fake at all; expressing yourself with no apologies or excuses is the ultimate state of alphaness and until you understand that you're not going to reach your full potential as a man.

I think he was refferring to the "their's something wrong with you" part, not the fake part.

Mystery tries to teach men that no girl is out of their reach no matter who they are.

While this is completely true he teaches men to make exuses to avoid having to be upfront, direct and honest with women in a confident way as if there is something wrong with being open with women because it won't work and should waste time being indirect and running routines, befriending AMOGs and firends they don't give a shit about and hiding there intentions.

He teaches them that they need to hide their feelings from a woman because she gets hit on numerous times a day and because of this a man can't be open, honest and direct about his intentions; when done right it's leathally attractive and you will not fully understand until you have mastered both techniques and had a chance to compare them on a mastered level. Like anything else direct works best because it is completely natural.

AFC is not natural; AFCs do not act in the confident, alpha, unapologetic way males were designed to behave at a core level. An alpha is a man who is nautrally what an man should be; fearless, confident and not loaded down with beliefs which prevent him from unleashing his potential. Direct alpha males have no problem giving off the attitude of "I am a healthy sexual being and fully comfortable with this. I find you attractive as a man and want to meet you and I make no apologies or excuses for it." and at a core are what a man should be.

It's not even a matter of ethics the simple fact is his techinques are innefective, unnatural and complicate things far more than they need to be. No girl is out of reach with either method. The only difference with these methods is that you don't have to lie or try to learn to logically mimic skills you already have on an internal level.

- Chris

The fact that they are widely used makes them natural.

They have a high success rate in a short period of time makes them effective.

You become open with them later on, kinda comfort stage.

Who doesn't want to make friends, its just the indirect way of dealing with AMOG's.

I mean what do you do if an AMOG see's you hittin on a girl hes with and he just starts shuvving you and talking smack?

The inability to disarm aggressive males has cost you the set, and may well of endangered you.

Their only complex at first, after about 2 weeks I kinda abbreviated the whole thing, like I just threw away the book, and kept the concept in use.

I think its important that people don't run their life by a book, that just makes them submissive and non-alpha.

It does not make the natural. It just means that a lot of people are social robots. It makes the techniques common not natural.

Natural: not artificial or imitation. (I.E you don't need to go by an outline or intentionally use negs, DHVs, false time constraints, false disqualifiers, ect. because you yourself are attractive enough without concious effort to chosing behavioral demonstration tools.)
They are the mainstream because they were revolutionary when the M3 Model came out and often the only thing new PUAs are introduced to. Much in the way Microsoft Office is the standard on computers even though it is arguably far from the best software for the job; everyone uses it because it is the first thing they are exposed to, they get used to it and it works [even if it's not the best].

Success is relative; people consider it fast because it is what they are taught works and what they are taught is the best. Also few people have experienced mastery of both methods individually and their learning curve.

I have seen success far faster with direct methods because they appeal to building on a person's natural personality and making that the naturally seductive personality instead of a seperate "pick-up artist" to turn on when they need it.
If you wish to waste time doing so then that's how things will work however I and many others have had consistent success being open at the start; consistently with HB9-10+.
I don't want to make friends when I'm out to get a beautiful woman. If you do that's cool but for me making friends is just an excuse which distracts from my objective.

If the blocker is a girl or a beta guy they will not dare intervene if the woman is happy around me because they want to get with her so they will want to avoid upsetting her at ALL costs.

IF the AMOG is his boyfriend I have had this happen and it goes one of two ways:

1) The girl gets sweet with the, "ohh thanks you're so sweet" and he doesn't want to upset the girl or look like he is worried so he does nothing and I ultimatley win the girl over.

2) He tries to threaten me [I'm 5'5, 130 lbs. mind you so I don't have leverage often] and again I'm honest with him and play to his natural insecurities. If he engages me I will qualify him in a way in which he will fail to look alpha in the eyes of his woman.

"You're insecure I get that. How come you feel like you have to [control/screen] who what guys she talks to?"
"What are you afraid of? Do you not trust your girlfriend?"
"You afraid of losing her to someone better?"
"Do you need to threaten me to prove how tough you are to your girlfriend?"
"If you're girlfriend wanted me you would beat me up to defend her for cheating on you? I would just go out and find a new girlfriend"


A threatening AMOG is simply trying to make himself socially dominant which is easily overcome by playing up his insecurities and appealing to logic. For example the line, "If you're girlfriend wanted me you would beat me up to defend her for cheating on you? I would just go out and find a new girlfriend." conveys that the AMOG is needy, insecure and I am alpha and have options. I don't want to be chummy and nice; I want to be alpha dominant and get the woman.

When I use AMOG dominators I will typically see the woman start stroking her hair or playing with her hands.
Haven't had a problem since the mid 90s when I was still refining my understanding and techniques. A man will try to be threatening and dominant until you make him look stupid in the eyes of his girlfriend. Once he appears like an idiot or loser anyway he has no reason to threaten me and knows it will only make his situation worse [and appear more beta and needy] to come after me.
Well that's the ultimate goal to throw away the book COMPLETELY and be left with nothing but blatant confidence and true alpha behavior. No techniques, no excuses and no apologies for your desires as a man.
I agree 110% things should be kept as simple and natural as possible for effective results. To me being indirect about my intentions and trying to spend time qualifying myself to a woman (A2) is submissive and non-alpha so I use a direct opener to replace it and get her to start A3 right off the bat.

- Chris

I didn't take time to read what everyone said but here's what I think

The basics of MM is always going to work until our mental programming is changed as humans. And MM does teach you to be alpha. And Routines that are given to you are meant to transfer you into natural game.

all this direct and confidence behavior can only work in person. Now a days we have text/phone/AIM/facebook which ppl use too much i might add. You can't be direct and ask boring/typical questions when someone isn't in your physical presence.

Your method is just like gunswitch's...he says "there's no harm in typical getting to know you questions". In my opinion that's WRONG...it's TYPICAL, that's why. If your face to face where non verbal communication is a factor then you have less to worry about b/c your uniqueness as a ulta-confident individual can easily be interpreted. But by these technological means of communication, your body language isn't a factor therefore you can't be typical if you want to spark any interest.

That being said....how do you act via AIM/email/phone/text? I'm just curious.

You're right about everything there except phone; I can use my voice to convey alpha status. As someone had said earlier direcct works because it is rare and charming for a woman to meet a guy who is blatantly confident and online every guy and his brother suddenly has that confidence.

However my method is quite a bit off from Gunwitch's. I have refined inner game techinques for erasing confidence and self-esteem issues at a core level instead of saying get out there and "fake it till you make it". People who finish with my methods overcome there confidence issues without having to go out to do it by resolving and reprogramming their beliefs.

I also don't advocate as many get to know you questions. After opening a woman I'll go off any random thing I think of like playing Wii Fit and tiring out my legs (as one example) and get in to a huge conversation laughing and joking about that and from there I can sexual escalate things; I have backward-engineered entertaining conversation, it's core mechanics and what elements make a person enjoy a conversation.

Also from the main conversation it is really easy and natural to branch off into whatever because I am not using a structure or routine but being natural.

I can't see why anyone would want to attract women online anyway when you can walk right out your door and meet women face to face; seems like trying to spare one's ego and confidence by going online would be the only reason not to meet women face to face. I can meet a woman directly and be having lunch with them 5-15 mins after meeting them. However as far as online goes it is the one place I would advocate indirect techniques such as Mystery Method over others.

To answer your question I use alpha tone and language one the phone and the only people I interact with on AIM/text are women I have opened in person who are already into me.

- Chris