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Fair enough I do the same now and again but you can't get the 10s going direct unless you look like brad pitt, If you go indirect and work the room well ,merge sets and have awesome social proof you can get the 10 no problem.
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I'm not your typical "pick-up artist". I've opened many women amazingly with "you're absolutley gorgeous and I want to meet you." However this requires unshakable inner game, confidence and congruence but it will work far better than any "opener" a PUA can teach you. Plus a good PUA should have solid inner game anyway.

Mystery Method teaches is that there's something wrong with you and you must add all fake layers to your personality so that you can appear to be an alpha male.

Yet, what they fail to realise is that WE ARE ALREADY ALPHA MALES, deep down inside each one of us is our real, authentic self. We're already masculine; we're already alpha. Everything we need to succeed with women lies inside us, waiting to be tapped into.

You don't need to add all these fake layers/personas on top of you, and you don't need to use tactics and techniques just to cover up for the lack of confidence.

All you need to do is simply reach inside yourself to your authentic self, unleash the masculinity and natural confidence within yourself, and from that foundation everything else will fall into place.

PUAs think too much and try to use far to many routines. Routines are just a tool for supplication which is why I don't use them. I mean, guys an spend the first 15-20 mins of an interaction and still be bantering and not even knowing if they will execute an effective pick-up and get the girl.

As a Mystery Method pick-up artist this my sound strange strange but my game is on a level where I choose the girl and I don't have to qualify to her. I don't use "game" I use what my brain can produce naturally and don't pre-plan my interactions.

I don't to fake disinterest cause I’m the man, she has been waiting for Tarzan whole her life and here I am. I got sick from learning routines, you may have success with them, maybe even greater, but I felt sick since my natural programming is to get the girl as an alpha.

Also I’m not cockblocked by guys cause they sense the girl likes me and they sense they are beta and will not dare try to interfere with her while she is happy. All these rules are only if you have no other value so you must do: warm-ups, routines, ignores, disqualifiers negs, ballbusting, phone rules and all that shit which (especially negs) conveys fake pseudo fake alpha behavior which masks insecurity.

I have destroyed all the social inhibitions and that is what I help my students to do. Being alpha is my first priority; I don't need routines to do it and neither do you but if you want to stick with Mystery Method's outdated techniques that's all well and good.

I'm definitely the selector... when I walk doing my business in the town if I see a gorgeous chick I like I will come to her: I have selected her...now she senses that I'm the man and will usually try to impress me.

After I get a women's number I will call her as I please; I don't deal with worrying about how she will respond. When I feel like it I will send a text: come to place x on time y, and you know what's funny - they alway agree. its just like those poor AFCs that always have time for HBs.

On a date I won't worry about what she thinks - PERIOD. If I think her hobbies are stupid I won't go out of my way to be mean but I will laugh if I damn well feel like it an tell her why I think they're stupid.

Things in pick-up should be ALL about the man being the selector not the selectee. All you guys who have to fake your presentation, change your behavior and plan and calculate are giving a woman all the power; you're just doing it behind her back so you won't lose value until you slip up, appear incongruent one to many times and lose her.

The man should be the dominant one doing the selecting; the woman should be loved, protected and cared for per the alpha male's role.

- Chris 8)

this is great stuff and i agree with the majority of it. except for the laughing at the girl part. If a girl says something or thinks something that i find stupid. I dont pretend to agree with her on it. But I will supress my feelings of it being stupid and accomidate her opinion without bullshiting completey


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Instead of ripping one method apart, perhaps it's good to take everything in stride. I'm a fan of a lil bit of everything, so I've taken bits of MM that seem useful. However, MM was created purposefully complicated and with additions so Mystery can continue to make money.

Perhaps it's not neccessarily the method, but the effect it has on those who "know" it. Perhaps confidence and conviction are really the only deciding factors...
yep i agree i take a little bit from everyone.

I think the most valued piece of knowledge is knowing the pyshology of women in general.

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I have done some serious reflecting on this and I just want everyone to be clear on my feelings. I used Mystery Method exclusivley for slightly over two years and to this day I can still run a masterful "auto-pilot". I have used direct also for many years and have cultivated techniques and refined direct and I can tell you there is NOTHING like it; nothing will get a woman intersted quicker or easier.

I have recognized PUAs many times. Hell, one time I walked up to a woman who was giving her opinion on who lies more and for shits and giggles just to see what would happen; she thought this guy was just looking for a neutral opinion and I confidently walked up, placed my hand on her shoulder softly but confidently then turned her around and said, "You look absolutley stunning, I want to get to know you."

Suffice to say she was dumbstruck by my baltantly direct confidence and approach and her attention immediatley wandered from the seemingly AFC guy asking her for her opinion over too me the same way a Mystery Method pick-up artist can pull attention from a real AFC. She stopped even noticing the PUA and put all her attention on me because I reached her on a sexual level quickly; he'd been blown out by someone quicker and more alpha and he knew it. If had tried to reveal his interest to her after the opinion opener he would have come off as a major AFC. He was blown out by a direct, confident guy and he knew it.

It is curious to me that people are always looking to support and go with the Mystery Method are still looking for that "holy grail" or magic pick-up line that will entice a woman when it is sitting right in front of them (why was OMS developed? to be fast, quick and powerfully successful). Here is a technique that is even quicker and more direct with no ethical controversies or risk to a woman's psyche and people don't take advantage of it. As far as magical pick-up lines to win a woman over go this one is as close as you are going to get because it tells a woman you are confident, alpha, sexually interested in her and have nothing to hide and no ulterior motives; you are telling her the truth. The difference between PUAs and AFCs is that women can tell the AFC is either not alpha or is making his sexual interest obvious to her but trying to hide it whereas a PUA will not let the woman know he is hitting on her and with the PUA the woman doesn't know he is hitting on her.

The issue comes with beating around the bush and the indirect methods; I'm not speaking about ethics or any of that shit right now but just the concept of indirect itself. YES this method goes against almoast everything Mystery Method teaches which is why I realized Mystery Method is an excuse for someone who wants to spare their ego, doesn't trust that something that would seem so "AFC" could work when done by a true alpha male and with correct intent. Mystery Method is not training wheels for direct because you're learning far too many counterdirect techniques and can never prepare your inner game for the confidence and realism needed to tell a woman how you really feel about her.

Upon reflection it is not the learned stories or lines I have a problem with but the hiding of intentions; I still despise the idea of negging a woman's ego unless she deserves it but showing value is part of the process.

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I feel what you're saying. There is a lot of fake personality stuff attached in PU. However, it really depends on the person. MM is costomizable. You do use it's structure for your own unique personality. It's not only mystery method. It can be ArchitectMethod, EngineerMethod, MusicianMethod ETC.


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Upon reflection it is not the learned stories or lines I have a problem with but the hiding of intentions; I still despise the idea of negging a woman's ego unless she deserves it but showing value is part of the process.

- Chris 8)
So the hiding of intentions, yes, I can see your issue there and agree with it.

But I think what would perhaps help people here is how people can build the unshakeable inner confidence that is required to use the lines that you suggest, if for example they currently have problems going up to girls and asking them for the time? If they can't do that, how are they going to go up to a girl and say "You look absolutley stunning, I want to get to know you"? They'd rather die!

It's getting to that point of confidence that is key to this, and I've yet to see an explanation. Does your book explain this? Perhaps that's why you haven't explained it, to encourage people to buy it? Good marketing, but please read the following:

As I've been intrigued by your point of view I had a look at your website to download your book. At $19 it's clearly low-risk and good value, so I bought it. However when I went through the checkout process and tried to download the PDF, the link didn't work. I then emailed you at c_n12@hotmail.com explaining this and asking you to send me the PDF or let me know another way I could get it. I also forwarded you the two receipt emails as proof in case you needed them.

To this date I haven't received a response or even an simple acknowledgement which, frankly, makes me feel like I've been ripped off - you've got my money but I haven't got my goods - and ignored. Is this how you treat your customers?

I'm guessing this has been an oversight and that you have no intention of treating your customers like this, so you'll be happy to explain what's going on here, and how you intend to resolve it?

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But I think what would perhaps help people here is how people can build the unshakeable inner confidence that is required to use the lines that you suggest, if for example they currently have problems going up to girls and asking them for the time? If they can't do that, how are they going to go up to a girl and say "You look absolutley stunning, I want to get to know you"? They'd rather die!
The problem with this is that the two methods are almost complete opposites; one is built on indirect hiding of intentions and the other is built on being a straight shooter.

I have also covered thoroughly in my book how to overcome any inner game issues you may be having so that you can have this confidence you need to approach women with great success.
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It's getting to that point of confidence that is key to this, and I've yet to see an explanation. Does your book explain this? Perhaps that's why you haven't explained it, to encourage people to buy it? Good marketing, but please read the following:
My book explains ways to approach this from a psychological perspective which none of the "gurus" had the training or knowledge to utilize for resolving inner game issues at a core level.
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As I've been intrigued by your point of view I had a look at your website to download your book. At $19 it's clearly low-risk and good value, so I bought it. However when I went through the checkout process and tried to download the PDF, the link didn't work. I then emailed you at c_n12@hotmail.com explaining this and asking you to send me the PDF or let me know another way I could get it. I also forwarded you the two receipt emails as proof in case you needed them.
You didn't need to send me proof I would have taken you at your word. I replied to one of your emails the morning I recieved it and attached it a copy of my eBook. I later recieved word from my download server that it had gone down which I apologize for.
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To this date I haven't received a response or even an simple acknowledgement which, frankly, makes me feel like I've been ripped off - you've got my money but I haven't got my goods - and ignored. Is this how you treat your customers?
I deal far more directly with my customers than just about any eBook author in the seduction community; I take hundreds of emails personally as opposed to shoving them off to my staff. I give all replies to questions, concerns, comments, advice personally and as thrououghly as I can.
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I'm guessing this has been an oversight and that you have no intention of treating your customers like this, so you'll be happy to explain what's going on here, and how you intend to resolve it?
I fully understand your position and would respond the same way if someone had placed me in this situation.

As far as service goes, I am going to offer nothing less that what I would expect for myself; I am going to offer you compensation which is more than fair and I am positive will satisfy you completely just check your PM inbox. ;)


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I replied to one of your emails the morning I recieved it and attached it a copy of my eBook. I later recieved word from my download server that it had gone down which I apologize for.

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As far as service goes, I am going to offer nothing less that what I would expect for myself; I am going to offer you compensation which is more than fair and I am positive will satisfy you completely just check your PM inbox. ;)
Thanks for the response and the refund - I thought that there would be some explanation. FYI I never received the email with the PDF (and I've just checked my spam folder and it wasn't there either) so you may want to look into that if this happens again in the future.

I'll read the book over the next few days and put a post in the thread with a review.

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Chris, you realise many guys who ain't PUA ask indirect questions to talk to a girl.

Also 8 year PUA vet like yourself vs unsuspecting and obviously unskilled -as he didn't try ANY amog techniques or retaliate at all-.

I'd really like to see a vid of you're "confidence" in action, becuase if it was enougt to make a PUA freeze out completely, then you could just ask the U.N for world domination, using your "confidence". I'm sure you'd get it.


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Chris, you realise many guys who ain't PUA ask indirect questions to talk to a girl.
The ones who are AFCs can't get a woman and the ones who ask indirect questions I could, and have, blown out of the water by going direct while the AFC and indirect PUA are still asking a woman what she thinks of the area, how she likes the scenery or about their ex's college buddy who keeps a box of pictures under the bed; I can captivate her in an instant by going direct.
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Also 8 year PUA vet like yourself vs unsuspecting and obviously unskilled -as he didn't try ANY amog techniques or retaliate at all-.
That's the point of direct pick-up, it is not simply AFC and it demands far more inner game than indirect PUA; it demands total and unshakable confidence to master which makes the difference between getting a woman and being brushed off - you reach her hardwired attraction triggers.
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I'd really like to see a vid of you're "confidence" in action, becuase if it was enougt to make a PUA freeze out completely, then you could just ask the U.N for world domination, using your "confidence". I'm sure you'd get it.
Asking the U.N for world domination wouldn't really strike me as confidence, just stupidity; I could take on girls and AMOGs but I don't think using the U.N as an example draws any reasonable comparison.

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For those of you who think of direct as AFC I'd like to explain why they are complete opposites:

This will seem like just good old plain common sense. Yet, nobody in the community is really addressing it and I know it is a problem for most men.

I've had years of experience and what I am saying here is coming from firsthand experience and mastery of both the Mystery Method indirect and direct game. If you are beginning your journey into the community. Some of you have goals and objectives while learning this “Game.” Others just take it one day at a time.

If you are going to set objectives in this game, make sure at the very top is the freedom to exist. This means if you are going to set up goals for yourself, your eventual goal is to believe so strongly in yourself that you can walk up to anyone and be comfortable. Sounds simple, doesn’t it? And yet, it is so difficult.

This is not a goal that is achieved over night. It takes time and effort and you must work towards it. I have met and winged with many people in the community and I can tell you that even a lot of those guys haven’t achieved this.

Why does this happen?

A few years ago I started to work with the direct “I like you and want to get to know you” concept. At the time I was criticized and insulted to no end and even when it appeared that everything I was saying was accurate, at the time I didn't get the ackowledgment that this was technique was solid which is why I would like the cover the grounds for this technique:

The reason this tehchniques not being ackowledged by many is simple: some guys still do not get it! These same critics who still do not get it, refer to “direct game” as a tool. These critics claim that “direct is a good tool to carry.” In fact, they refer to everything as a “tool.”

Here is what I want you to understand:

DIRECT IS NOT ABOUT THE OPENER! IT’S ABOUT A MENTALITY!
The direct style is about a state of self-belief not often found in community PUAs regardless of how much success they have achieved. Lacking these internal belief structure, the PUA will often resort to looking at things through a different lens. He looks at everything through the frame of techniques and tactics, henceforth completely missing the point regarding the self-belief.

A while back I heard an incredibly well known PUA label direct as a “Frame Control” Trick. This indicates that to this person, everything is still a technique, not an organic and natural process. To truly not give a shit and have such a strong self-image to approach anyone is not a trick; it is not a tactic.

It comes from the power of belief and it comes from a deeper place. It takes time to get there. It helps if you realize what it is you should be focusing on. You go in with the mentality that “I do NOT need to resort to trickery and tactics” in order to get a chick.

I am not saying that “tools” are bad in general. There are some tools that are useful at some point. However, to be able to just be present and a relaxed cool individual is to be able to free yourself of constantly reaching inside your bag of tools.

Even the tools are not tools. I’ll explain:

One of the things I teach to guys is the art of story telling. Now, two years ago, I probably would have thought that this is a great tool to have.
However, having the ability to tell stories in an interesting and captivating manner is not a tool.

It is forcing you to make a fundamental change in yourself. Once you learn how to tell a proper story and be interesting, you will have made a permanent change. You are no longer reaching in your bag silently thinking to yourself, “Aha, I will pull out my tool of “story telling” at this point in the pickup. It will be the equivalent of photon torpedoes and will weaken her deflector shields.”

You just become a more interesting person who enjoys sharing a good story or two because you have internalized good story telling and now it has become second nature.

Again: This article is not about an opener, and it’s not about the words that you say when you approach a woman; it’s about a STATE OF MIND. It is about a PARADIGM SHIFT.

It’s about a mentality to be able express oneself without pretense. You may even use some situational opener to open conversation. For the tenth time, the opener is not the point.

It’s also not about having cocky/funny as a tool.

You want to be confident and playful? Fine! Do so because you are a person who enjoys having a good time and one who enjoys teasing people. Don’t do it because it is a tool you pull out of your hidden bag.

I recall, many years ago, watching “The Lost Interview” with Bruce Lee where he talked about expressing oneself and the difficulty in doing so.
Bruce said, “It is easy to for me to put on a show and be flooded with a cocky feeling, and then feel pretty cool, or do some phony things and be blinded by it, or show you some fancy movement...but to express oneself honestly, not lying to oneself, to express myself honestly...that, my friend, is very hard to do.”

I also recall not completely understanding what he was discussing the first time I heard this interview. He is very correct, however. It is easy to put on a fancy show and try to impress people, but to honestly express yourself is very difficult.

The chief goal of any self-help environment ought to be trying to get you to feel comfortable in your own skin and be at peace with yourself.
To genuinely feel and exude that is difficult; being able to express yourself without excuses is the ultimate state of alphaness.
Yet, what do you usually find in guys who are “trying” to be alpha?

Firstly, let’s understand this: You have a lot of guys who are trying to prove that they are alpha. Well, if you are “trying” to be it, then you really are not alpha.

I constantly run into such guys who are trying to be alpha: Their behaviors manifest themselves in two ways.

A. They act like jerks, they behave in a standoffish manner, they try to ignore people as though these people are beneath them, and they exude other similar pompous behavior.

This is obviously the behavior of an insecure person. If you are comfortable with yourself, you don’t need to mistreat someone to give yourself status. Isn’t funny to realize that in many cases overindulgence in arrogance is actually driven from insecurity?

B. They try to dominate every conversation. They must at all times be the center of attention.

This second category is really easy to notice. You can have a group of 5 guys talking and you’ll see one guy constantly cutting people off to interject his point of view and constantly striving to get attention.
If he is not interjecting to get his point in, he is drawing attention to himself through wisecracks or other juvenile behavior; his starvation for other people’s attention becomes laughably obvious and after a while, it becomes annoying. This also is deeply rooted in insecurity.

Thus, to be genuine and comfortable, you do not need to be a jerk, and nor do you need to be the center of attention every single minute. You can be in your space and if someone else has the floor, you can listen comfortably because you are secure in who you are. You are not there to prove anything. You can enjoy someone else’s words because you are actually listening to that person speak, and not worrying about what you should say to garner attention back to yourself every step of the way.

Whether you consider yourself a novice in meeting women or somewhat experienced, you should always keep this ideal in mind.

Not being comfortable with who you are manifests itself in so many ways:
It will drive you to try and impress people all the time.
It will drive you to continually search for more pickup lines.
It will drive you to many times behave like a pompous jackass.
It will drive you to constantly try and bring attention to yourself.
It will drive you to impress people by whom you have sitting next to you.
It will drive you to impress by telling people what kind of a cool car you have, what celebrity you met, or how much money you just made.
It will drive you to be socially frightened.
It will drive you women away from you.

Thus, making “becoming comfortable with who you are,” is one of the top priorities. While it is not the only priority, it should be one of the top messages emphasized by gurus giving dating advice in the community.

Instead, guys are chasing their own tails trying to learn more openers, more cute lines, more patterns, more negs, more cocky/funny, more, more, more.

When is it going to end???

It ends when you realize that probably the biggest reason you are at this cross road is because you are not comfortable with who you are.
It takes a bit of an ego check to admit this, but admitting is the first step to progress. It is not an easily achieved feat, but it is what your master goal should be.

People are not comfortable with themselves and they build layers to mask that discomfort. Instead of helping peel off the layers of facade, most people in the community advise people to hide under more layers.

I meet some strange cases. I meet people from the community who have built so many false layers of “Game” on themselves that I don’t know who the fuck I am talking to. One minute, they are trying to be alpha, and the next, they are running a routine on me, and then they are trying to qualify me.

I am not a guru; I am a master of my own craft but I am not some super monk sitting on top of the mountain being at one with the Universe. We are all at different levels of comfort. We are at different stages in our journey.

I want to make sure that people are focusing on the right issues and that this focus will help them achieve their desired states. Once again, if someone is socially awkward then it is logical that he would seek to remedy that situation. However, to crawl out of the hole of social ineptness onto the plateau of a socially savvy person is not a tool. It is about that person making fundamental changes in himself.

Similarly, becoming comfortable and being able to exist and walk through life in a manner where you feel good about yourself, and in a manner where you feel the freedom to exist and express yourself is not a tool.

It is not a tactic!
It is not a routine!
It is a paradigm shift in your thinking, beliefs, ideals, and behavior!!

It is about a strong enough self-image where you don’t feel like you must carry your invisible bag of tools at all times or you are doomed.

That is attractive.

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c_n12, I have to say your direct game posts feel inspiring and motivating. I mean the ultimate goal is finally accepting oneself and feeling comfortable in any situation no matter what the variable....you walk into a room of 20 chicks or your boss. Having this sort of confidence is what i thrive after but have been always said "i'll feel more confident when i get that 6 pack, job, piercing". That is simply not the way to go because you are always projecting into the future and never saying NOW is the time. I agree 100% that being happy with however you were created physically/mentally and always thrive to improve both of those aspects only for the benefit of you, not to showboat to others.

That being said, i believe this indirect game is more so for girls who have EVER guy walking up to them and confessing their desires. If people don't KNOW about the game, the game of being "indirect" is probably something they wouldn't know existed, therefore "i like you" is always the tip of the sword. Although you can't pull this off w/o utter confidence, i'm sure it wont work on chicks in a bar/club setting with their fat tits hanging out with probably 10-20 guys BEFORE you, walking up and saying "wow, you're beautiful".

That being said, although i respect your motive in WANTING people to be happy with themselves and not have to use a "gambit", in such a setting....you gotta be DIFFERENT....and being indirect has a lot more room for game then simply saying "you look interesting, i want to get to know you". Indirect i'm sure has more consistency than direct....atleast with direct you're playing off of IMMEDIATE attraction, not "sneaking under the radar" so you can showcase that you're actually an interesting person.

I would also love to see a video of your unshakable confidence with your approach as it would be most inspiring, but as we all know it's easier said then done.


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c_n12, I have to say your direct game posts feel inspiring and motivating. I mean the ultimate goal is finally accepting oneself and feeling comfortable in any situation no matter what the variable
Thank you; that is exactly what I was going for.
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you walk into a room of 20 chicks or your boss. Having this sort of confidence is what i thrive after but have been always said "i'll feel more confident when i get that 6 pack, job, piercing".


Although you don't need anything material to get a woman you hit upon something that is very true and something that I think is overlooked when people say you don't need looks, money, fame, ect. I think many people fail to ackowledge is that this stuff MAKES THINGS EASIER because they want to say "no you're equal and it doesn't matter" kind of like the penis size argument; it's not a prerequisite but it DOES make a big difference and will give you more licence to feel confident because it will give you more success.
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That is simply not the way to go because you are always projecting into the future and never saying NOW is the time. I agree 100% that being happy with however you were created physically/mentally and always thrive to improve both of those aspects only for the benefit of you, not to showboat to others.
Another thing that is very true. When you expect anything from anyone other than yourself you are letting things outside your control decide your happiness or comfort. I don't want to say you should necessarily should be 100% positive with how you were created (we all have shit we don't like about ourselves and that's okay); if you're dead ugly for example you shouldn't necessarily be 100% happy with that.
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That being said, i believe this indirect game is more so for girls who have EVERY guy walking up to them and confessing their desires. If people don't KNOW about the game, the game of being "indirect" is probably something they wouldn't know existed, therefore "i like you" is always the tip of the sword. Although you can't pull this off w/o utter confidence, i'm sure it wont work on chicks in a bar/club setting with their fat tits hanging out with probably 10-20 guys BEFORE you, walking up and saying "wow, you're beautiful".
direct game actually in my experience and the experience of a lot of the direct game practicioners I know works best on the hottest girls because men are either too intimidated to approach them or they approach in an AFC way. Very rarely do they get approached by confident alpha males. "I like you and want to meet you" game is something everyone should strive for.

As for chicks in bars and clubs you might be really surprised; I'm sure if you have been to clubs women get a lot of drunk, rude or AFC guys hitting on them and as I can recount from my club experience I see very if any approach HB10+ in a club in an alpha manner.
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That being said, although i respect your motive in WANTING people to be happy with themselves and not have to use a "gambit", in such a setting....you gotta be DIFFERENT....and being indirect has a lot more room for game then simply saying "you look interesting, i want to get to know you". Indirect i'm sure has more consistency than direct....atleast with direct you're playing off of IMMEDIATE attraction, not "sneaking under the radar" so you can showcase that you're actually an interesting person.
I have used direct extensivley in club enviorments and when executed correctly it can be far more effective. One of the most pronounced experiences I have had of this happening was a few years ago when I walked up to a woman who was giving her opinion on who lies more; my brain immdiatley screamed PUA! For shits and giggles just to see what would happen I decided to interject. She thought this guy was just looking for a neutral opinion and I confidently walked up, placed my hand on her shoulder softly but confidently then turned her around and said, "You look absolutely stunning, I want to get to know you."

Suffice to say she was dumbstruck by my blatantly direct confidence and approach and her attention immediately wandered from the seemingly AFC guy asking her for her opinion over to me the same way a Mystery Method pick-up artist can pull attention from a real AFC.

She stopped even noticing the PUA and put all her attention on me because I reached her on a sexual level quickly; he'd been blown out by someone quicker and more alpha and he knew it. If had tried to reveal his interest to her after the opinion opener he would have come off as a major AFC. He was blown out by a direct, confident guy and he knew it.
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I would also love to see a video of your unshakable confidence with your approach as it would be most inspiring, but as we all know it's easier said then done.
The problem is I don't have the recording equiments (such are wireless mics) to really pull this off but I will see what I can do. ;)

- Chris 8)


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