It's kind of a lot to read but I would greatly appreciate it guys if you read the stories, they're pretty entertaining.

Went out to Les Deux last night and got a couple stories which I would like some feedback on. (Les Deux is a trendy night club in Hollywood, lots of celebs, and beautiful women go there if you're ever in the area it's a must for sarging.)

Story 1

I was ordering a drink @ the bar and to my left was a 2 set. One was a 7 and one was a 10. I used an opinion opener and the 7 was a total BITCH and cut me off in the middle of my question and said something like "yeah we don't care go away" and pulled her friend away. I leaned in said "wow, that was rude you obviously don't get out much do you?" and walked away. As I was walking away the 7 grabbed my arm to turn me around but I didn't. Instead I walked to my group of buddies and joked and laughed etc..

No more than 5 min. later I saw the 7 walk across the entire club to me and my friends and she was so flustered it wasn't even funny and she didn't know what to say. She started saying stuff like "If you have something to say, say it to our faces. We know the owner and I'm with body guards so watch it." I responded to that with one of my favorite one-worders: "Respect". Anyways, I played it totally chill as she was chewing me out then she left. THEN she came back again and gave me the same speech.

What should I have done? I felt like I didn't handle her approaching me as well as I could have. I wanted to turn it around and her dripping wet for me (haha) but I didn't know how.


Story 2

My buddy Erick who goes totally caveman on girls (a.k.a approaches anything and everything but opens with like "heeeyy you're cute, what's your name?" and goes from there. It's more creepy than anything. We call him the rape-closer because he always goes in for the kiss no matter what, it's ridiculous) was talking to a two set and one was absolutely gorgeous, another 10. He waves to me to come over and so does the 10. She did the whole "come here" motion with her index finger.

I went totally blank with my opener so I just opened with "How are you?" and she replied. I immediately went into the gum neg (offered her a piece of gum) and as sure as sunrise she asked "why? is my breath bad?" and I said "just take it". She made a facial expression that conveyed "wow, that was rude" and whispered something to her friend. Again I blanked so I asked something boring; "What do you do?" and she replied "I'm a model".

THIS IS WHERE THE CONVERSATION STARTED SPIRALING DOWNWARDS HARD AND FAST.

I said "like a hand model?" and she looked at me with an expression that conveyed "Are you fucking kidding me?" and then she totally blew me out by turning her back to me and talking to her friend. I exited the set by tapping my buddy, who was talking to the other girl in the set, and said "I'm gonna go get a drink"....I TOTALLY BLEW IT!!!!!!!



LET ME GET SOME ADVICE GUYS THANKS!!!!

I only have comments for the 2nd. You totally insulted that HB10. When you say something like that you should follow it up with a compliment. Example: When you said that she should take the gum. You should have said something like "Well, at least you are cute" Body language is important too. When you neg you need to smile and make it seem like you are teasing otherwise its gonna come off as totally rude. After the hand model comment. You should have immediately said something like "Come over here let me see those beautiful hands" (good for kino) You do this all in a joking way.

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ahhhh yes. I definitely didn't smile, I was trying to be more of a hard ass. Thanks dood.

Remember push pull and you have to smile when you use your negs! I think the reason your first set failed is because you didnt use a false time constraint. Btw style and mystery say there is no such thing as a bitch, i they are being "bitchy" then you have fucked up.

For the story #1, you must be funny when you say such a thing like "wow, that was rude.. you obviously don't get out much do you ?" then rerun your opener. Show her that even if shes being bitchy, you still think shes kind of cute. Don't let her ruin your mood, be unaffected! Also that HB 7 was just being a cockblock.. Having a wing over there would help alot, otherwise you will have to defeat cockblocks all by yourself which might be a pain in the ass

Good luck out in the field m8

Sounds like the 7 found you attractive and, yeah, cockblocked cause she thought you were yet another guy trying to get to the 10. The fact that you rattled her to pieces and yet she still came all the way across the club TWICE just to interact with you displays definite interest, and you could've gone any number of directions with that but you really dropped the ball. She came back TWICE, dude. You could've C&F asked her to point out the bodyguards. You could've asked how one applies for that position. You could've apologized sincerely and restarted. You could've reminded her that you DID say something to her face and had nothing left to add, or you could've told her you were trying to say something to her when she became rude. You could've C&F said, "And five minutes later you came ALL the way over here just to tell me that? Come sit down." Lots of stuff. Sounds like you could've closed with her really easily.

With the second girl, yeah, sounds like you a) weren't light enough with the neg, b) didn't properly follow with a compliment, and c) didn't establish enough personality or intrigue with your "How are you?" open to give her reason to maybe keep talking to you after such a blunt insult.