I'm not your typical "pick-up artist". I've opened many women amazingly with "you're absolutley gorgeous and I want to meet you." However this requires unshakable inner game, confidence and congruence but it will work far better than any "opener" a PUA can teach you. Plus a good PUA should have solid inner game anyway.

Mystery Method teaches is that there's something wrong with you and you must add all fake layers to your personality so that you can appear to be an alpha male.

Yet, what they fail to realise is that WE ARE ALREADY ALPHA MALES, deep down inside each one of us is our real, authentic self. We're already masculine; we're already alpha. Everything we need to succeed with women lies inside us, waiting to be tapped into.

You don't need to add all these fake layers/personas on top of you, and you don't need to use tactics and techniques just to cover up for the lack of confidence.

All you need to do is simply reach inside yourself to your authentic self, unleash the masculinity and natural confidence within yourself, and from that foundation everything else will fall into place.

PUAs think too much and try to use far to many routines. Routines are just a tool for supplication which is why I don't use them. I mean, guys an spend the first 15-20 mins of an interaction and still be bantering and not even knowing if they will execute an effective pick-up and get the girl.

As a Mystery Method pick-up artist this my sound strange strange but my game is on a level where I choose the girl and I don't have to qualify to her. I don't use "game" I use what my brain can produce naturally and don't pre-plan my interactions.

I don't to fake disinterest cause I’m the man, she has been waiting for Tarzan whole her life and here I am. I got sick from learning routines, you may have success with them, maybe even greater, but I felt sick since my natural programming is to get the girl as an alpha.

Also I’m not cockblocked by guys cause they sense the girl likes me and they sense they are beta and will not dare try to interfere with her while she is happy. All these rules are only if you have no other value so you must do: warm-ups, routines, ignores, disqualifiers negs, ballbusting, phone rules and all that shit which (especially negs) conveys fake pseudo fake alpha behavior which masks insecurity.

I have destroyed all the social inhibitions and that is what I help my students to do. Being alpha is my first priority; I don't need routines to do it and neither do you but if you want to stick with Mystery Method's outdated techniques that's all well and good.

I'm definitely the selector... when I walk doing my business in the town if I see a gorgeous chick I like I will come to her: I have selected her...now she senses that I'm the man and will usually try to impress me.

After I get a women's number I will call her as I please; I don't deal with worrying about how she will respond. When I feel like it I will send a text: come to place x on time y, and you know what's funny - they alway agree. its just like those poor AFCs that always have time for HBs.

On a date I won't worry about what she thinks - PERIOD. If I think her hobbies are stupid I won't go out of my way to be mean but I will laugh if I damn well feel like it an tell her why I think they're stupid.

Things in pick-up should be ALL about the man being the selector not the selectee. All you guys who have to fake your presentation, change your behavior and plan and calculate are giving a woman all the power; you're just doing it behind her back so you won't lose value until you slip up, appear incongruent one to many times and lose her.

The man should be the dominant one doing the selecting; the woman should be loved, protected and cared for per the alpha male's role.

- Chris

No offense... but that just sounded like a big "Yay me, I'm the best!" post.

Just because MM is probably the most popular style out there, doesn't mean that everyone that uses it even runs only routines and canned material. I have met several people that don't, yet still follow the A1-A3, C1-C3, S1-S3 structure, as well as employing many of the tactics and mindsets taught by it.

Further still, with your statement of:
Which is silly, because that lumps all PUAs into the catagory of using canned material, which is garbage, since there are many many PUAs that are starting to run natural game if they hadn't before. The game is evolving my friend and your thread is about a year out of date, as back then it might have made a bit more of an impact on a community that hadn't already realised that needs to progress in new directions; ie the many threads about the VH1 show and how we would now have to "evolve" into natural game to keep it able to work, or the threads on direct game.

Also, the part about talking for so long; some of us actually enjoy to interact with people, while GIVING them fun, instead of making the interactions short and just taking away. I'm not a player, I do this because I love to make people have a good time and I would love to do it with girls and have relationships with them, but even when I'm in an exclusive relationship, I still go out and run game, because I help people have a great time. I say, "Nice hair!" to the girl standing against the side of a building and it's not because I'm trying to get her number (although she was pretty hot, but wrong time, wrong place), but because I just wanna give her a little bit extra enjoyment in her day and see the smile on her face, because that's what I LOVE. I ain't never used a routine, unless I was gonna say/use it already, or I just told it like a fun story and I told it because I thought it was awesome and fun for ME too, cause one thing I tell everyone, "If you're not having fun, then you're NOT DOING IT RIGHT!"

So I hope you're having fun and not taking, but giving them fun and happiness as well, cause then I'll agree with what you've said; but if you're doing it to get a quick fuck and not cause making people have fun is what you love to do, then I think that's basically just Gunwitch Method or something that is direct and just about sex (at least from what I've heard and I appologize to Gunwitch and any students if I've gotten that wrong).

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It wasn't intended to be; everything I write is my own personal experience and feelings toward things and I don't think I'm all that amazing; I'm just like everyone else - It's the Mystery Method I'm better than.

People don't need to lie or take more than 30 seconds to get across to a girl that they are interested in her and would like to get to know her with romantic and sexual intent. What I was referencing to about PUAs talking to long was that they talk too long without a woman knowing their true feelings, intentions or interest. I enjoy talking to people as well; Although beauty is a prerequisite for me I regard sex as secondary to emotional connection.
I don't think with intentions in mind; I do what I feel like when I feel like and make no apologies for my desires as a man. I like to make people smile but I would never resort to telling her a story someone taught me because I don't know how to attract a woman independently.

You hit upon the most important thing of all with this statement though:
As long as a person is content and happy with where they are then they should work with that. It reminds me of what Billy Ray Cyrus always says to his kid, "If you ain't having fun, it ain't working, so always have fun with what you're doing. If you don't love it then there's no reason to do it. And don't do it for fame or money- do it because it's something that you feel is right.”

- Chris

I couldn't agree more. The methods I use are very direct and to the point. Women are taken aback by it and challenge me all the time, but I stand my ground and laugh it off. If you apologise for offending them you are fucked. Never give in to anything they say. I don't care what they say or what they're thinking because that's not my problem. I respect them and if they don't like what they're hearing they're welcome to walk away... and they never do. Why?

Because! Women have a very small selection of men to choose from, nomatter how hot they are. Because of the rules imposed on her by society, she cannot approach a man she likes unless he is already established within her social circle. These are the guys she works with, the guys who hang around with her and her friends. Guys don't approach her in public because they are intimidated by her, and if they do, they hide their intentions or can't muster up the courage to get to the point and as a result they walk away leaving both parties empty handed. I've heard of guys talking to a girl for 5 minutes, 10 minutes, half an hour... he wants to ask her out but the conversation doesn't go that way and he's at a loss of how to do it so he just walks away, defeated. I used to be that guy. Fuck that guy. If you've ever done this, promise yourself you will never do it again because she was getting bored and waiting for you to get to the point.

So you'd think girls have it easier at bars and clubs... wrong. Guys will approach her at the bar after a few drinks because this is the only way they feel the courage to approach her. Alcohol = sloppy approach. Turn-off. She will not settle for this guy unless he is very appealing to her in the looks department... as a matter of fact she'll sooner go home with the loudmouth asshole who is going around annoying everyone because he is naturally confident and comfortable in his own skin, and doesn't give a shit what people think about him. Being a loudmouth asshole is often times a byproduct of this attitude but you don't have to be like that.

I walk to the beat of my own drummer. If she doesn't like me I'm not gonna try and change her mind - why would I? I have plenty more to choose from who aren't nearly as much effort. Instead of trying to figure out if she likes you or not, think about HOW to find out. This is the key. The mystery method is, overall, a very good system and I won't dismiss it entirely. However, it is unnecessarily complicated - you have to go through so much shit before you get what you want. You're thinking about which opener to use, which routines, how to stack them, how to display higher value, how to escalate kino, how to progress to getting the number... you have all this stuff pre-planned and when you actually open the set it all flies out the window because of the variety of responses and personalities you encounter. You had it all figured out, but now it isn't going to plan, and you're formulating a new plan in your head to try and compensate. That, or trying to wing it... and neither of these is gonna get the girl you want into bed because you're a theory junkie and your brain can't handle the scenario without your little pre-planned structure in place anymore.

Aswell as focusing on all that stuff, you have a plethora of other things to consider like body language, proximity, eye contact, dealing with obstacles and AMOGs, interruptions and fuck knows what else. Why? You're not some kind of machine, you can't focus on all this stuff. Your brain should be doing it all on its own while letting you concentrate on the fundamentally important stuff. Approach, say hi, ask how she is, and get to the damn point. You're on your way to meet a friend but she caught your eye and you want to call her later so you can go out somewhere. So, what do you say if you don't have this big-ass complicated structure?

How about be honest and up front and tell her you're on your way to meet a friend, she caught your eye and you want to call her later so you can go out somewhere. Not really hard. But what about all that other stuff you were told to do about DHVing and routines and stacking and... stop it. The answer to all these questions is, "who cares?". She either likes you or she doesn't, so you may as well get to the point and find out before you waste any more time on her. I'm not saying give up at the first sign of her not liking you, not by a long shot. You need to be persistent to a certain extent because they will never show interest straight away. They'll look at you in disbelief, they'll ask you who you think you are, they'll ask you if you think it's alright to talk to girls like that... the list goes on and on. For example if you tell her to give you her number and she asks you if you only want her for one thing, that's a worst case scenario for a lot of guys and that's why the mystery method appeals to them, because that sort of thing is never gonna happen using it. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, as they say, however for examples such as this you only need to know one thing. If she challenges you, agree with her. If she asks you if you only want her one thing, you should say yes and hand her your phone so she can put her number in. Hey, she's not gonna take you seriously so you may as well tell the truth. Stick to your guns and do not change anything you say.

So yeah, why use a method which is so complicated it'd take years to perfect? Keep it simple... approach, say hi and ask how she is. She'll reply and ask about you. It's only polite. Say you're good and tell her why you stopped her. You want to take her out later so you wanna get her number and call her when you're not so busy. If she puts up any resistance just don't be phased by it and don't take it seriously... say "yeah right" (or whatever suits the resistance she's putting up) and try again. Only eject if she is visibly annoyed with you because everything else is just a test to see if you're really as confident as you appear to be, or if you'll fold and change into this nice guy in the hopes of changing her mind. Her mind is made up from the minute you start speaking to her, remember that.

Woah, I kinda went off on a ramble there. Anyway, I'd like to reiterate that the mystery method is in no way flawed, it's just overly complicated and even if you have it perfected I'll be coming back for seconds by the time you get one girl into bed using it.

It's a method, you can't "beat" something that doesn't compete.

Honestly if your gonna pull the I own this shit because I do this way, ask yourself, how many AFC's have done the same thing as you; and gotten burnt out.


If PU was soley about walk up "you're hot wanna fuck" kind of deal. Everyone would be getting laid all the time.

I think we get complacent when we have the ignorance to feel that a method or system or style is "beneath us".

I always thought PU was a combo of inner and outer game not a.. my style will kick you're style ass.

Come one people we aren't in an old skool kung fu movie.

Reminds me of one of my blog posts:

It never ceases to amaze me how blindly people will accept M3 and immediatley shake off anything that goes against it (like a cult whose leader is "all-knowing") but I'm glad you have worked both techniques, tested them and given them EQUAL chance (really puttting effort in to mastering both) so that you are able to make a fair judement on how they stack up.

Using direct game is not about being an AFC; an AFC goes up to a woman and stumbles through asking her if he could take her out for coffee. Most people in the community think pick-up is what the "gurus" or businessmen tell them it is. Once something has been taught for a long time mainstream it becomes accepted as the standard and anything that goes against it (especially to the degree direct does) will seem out of place and impractical. I've only met a SMALL handful of AFCs who even have the balls to approach a HB10 and tell her she is beautiful and not one of them has done it in a way that could be considered even remotely close to alpha. Most come up with interview questions or "hey, how's it going?"

I have worked with both methods for a long time and anyone who needs a blanket technique that conceals their real personality; anyone who has to come online and ask, "should I have negged here", "how long should I wait to call her", "should I still approach her" and any other instance of asking another person how I should behave or act is beneath me. I don't think about nor ask other people how I should behave so that I can supplicate a woman by callibrating and changing my behavior so she is attracted to me.

A cocky AFC will say something to the effect of, "you're hot wanna fuck?" and objectify her. An alpha male will directly state his interest to her with congruence and a caring to let the woman know that she is beatiful and he wants to get to know her as a person. An alpha male will dominate her reality in way which flips her attraction switches and conveys him as a confident, bold leader without hiding behind a bunch of materials. The problem with AFC methods is from the moment they approach her they are either not conveying an alpha male status and dominating her reality or they are objectifying her. Women will follow a man who can lead them; how many AFCs go up to her and lead her?

- Chris

If MM is such a horrible concept, then why has it amassed the popularity that it has? Deservingly so. Simply put...it does work and many do not simply become Mystery worshipers. MM is merely a foundation to understand that indirect game and direct game must be used. Most women need to be curious about the man and that is accomplished easier if you do not go with strond direct game to begin with, especially within a group. MM deals greatly with group interactions. That's why it emphasizes on the inderect game to begin with. So please stop with the Mystery hating and accept the fact that many processes and formulas have their places. Blatantly showing interest may work, but I find subtlty when showing interest works much better.

Later days.

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In it's day Mystery Method was revolutionary and like Microsoft it gained a monopoly and a mainstream monopolistic hold on the seduction community. It does work but is clunky, fake and unnecessary. Everyone and their brother teaches the Mystery Method to the new and incoming PUAs because it dominates the media therefore it is more accepted If a person with 0 community knowledge and experience is led to The Game of course they are going to decide indirect and Mystery Method are the way to go.

Like no other operating system maker could compete with the monopoly Windows holds over PC makers, new methods can not compete with the MM being pushed on television and in media over the years. Even if a newer and better method comes along the one that dominates the mainstream will always have the upper hand because it has people's acceptance; it is what newcomers get introduced to by old followers and people will protect and defend what is comfortable for them and what they are used to.

Moreover if the businessmen or "gurus" revealed that pick-up could be simple and easy they wouldn't be able to make it sounds complex and pedal $6000 boot camps and all Mystery would lose his mansion.

I'm not saying you haven't but I'd like to know, have you tried showing interest directly and seriously given your direct approach the same effort you gave to making the Mystery Method work to come to the conclusion that subtly showing interest works better?

If you are making statements such as "Most women need to be curious about the man and that is accomplished easier if you do not go with strond direct game to begin with" do you have the experiene of having given both methods an equal chance to make that judgement? (I'm not saying you don't)

You have been taught that not directly revealing your interest is wrong because women will not like you and therefore you need some complex method to get around this which they just happen to be selling. If you believe that showing indirect interest is a more effective means of getting a woman interested in you you're tapped in the head; indirect people come off with no value then look like friends. Direct advocates go straight to what would be considered A3 and start qualifying a girl who immediatley knows they ae interested.

- Chris

I've done it both ways and with variations. They yielded equal success and failure. Preach in a church my friend... everything has its place.

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the thing about MM is it is designed for SHBs in clubs
there really isn't a method that works exceptionally well in any situation, and after all isn't that what being a PUA is about? - being able to adapt to the situation. AFCs blindly follow one method, PUAs adapt.

i'd challenge anyone who says direct is the only way to go to a club, find a 4+ set with a SHB, approach her without addressing the rest of the set and go direct on her, and actually get somewhere.

Don't make excuses to shove off my statements and call them preaching just because you don't like what's being said.

I am well aware that they I am preaching but it is a major contradiction on your part to tell me not to preach.
This sounds like preaching to me yet after I made my reply you decided that people should - Chris

MM is a good jump off point for those who have social awkwardness and less than stellar interpersonal skills.

Once you are beyond that, you can move past MM.

I agree with Rye Lee, this post seemed to be an ego inflator more than anything.

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I could tell you stories however owning to the fact that many of you probably have not dealt with direct and seen it's effectiveness I'd imagine few of you will actually accept that this stuff works but here is a field report I posted recently:

getting-the-hottest-in-the-club-vt22500.html?highlight=

Don't give me any of the "this is fake" or "that doesn't really work" excuses just unless you've had personal experience with these methods of displaying alpha behavior naturally.

Of all the various aspects of men’s and women’s behavior that contribute to poor, short-lived relationships, persistent dishonesty has to be at the top of the list. Indirect PUAs go out of their way to be liked by women and tell women what they want to hear. On the other hand, whenever I’ve been totally and unconventionally straightforward with women, I’ve usually
received the responses and reactions that I desired.

- Chris

HAHA. now that could be c&f


anyway, i believe that what works for some people, may not work for others. I started my PUA journey a month ago with David DeAngelo, when I didn't know how to handle my AA. then I came across Mystery about 2 weeks ago and my pick-up game sky rocketed.

Before my actual PUA training, I was having success and rejections without the mental explanation of how and why. Now I get it!

I find the mystery method good for starters like me because I follow his techniques but to a certain extent. I use the MM more as a tool, and I freestyle my own lines following the same concept of his material. I actually took Mystery's lines word for word at my first approaches, then I tweaked it so it would fit more of my personality. I'm still learning but success is being more evident.

Get what i'm sayin?

btw, this is my first day on this forum. Hello my new friends and aquaintances.

-Hello i'm ANDeeZY, and i'm addicted to pick-up art