Welcome to the modern seduction commuinty. You have David DeAngelo pedaling common sense as "guru" knowledge; Mystery pedaling an unecessarily cumbersome technique that is complex and teaches men to be fakers who lie to women and think that is bad to make your intentions obvious from the start; I have been doing it successfully for years.
The community is not interested in teaching the easiest, most modern and most effective methods because if they made the commuinty aware of how easily and consistently you can attract women they wouldn't be able to brainwash people in to buying their products. It's said but true they value their mansions and sports cars over truly helping people.
I spent almost 2 years doing Mystery Method and some variants of Indirect. I’ve sarged up and down – malls, clubs, streets and everywhere but it never really clicked for me.
I studied and studied Mystery Method and Speed Seduction and I worked constantly on it.
A month after I started, I met a man who was good enough to show me how to approach directly (I had learned that way in high school but placed it on the back burner when I found out there was a “systematic method”) and got back to my roots.
Initially, in my younger days, I thought "This direct stuff works but this Mystery guy has a “system” so it must be better." So again I put Direct on the back burner.
Every once in a while, I would run into a situation where I would accidently show interest to a bartender or waitress and the result was good. I remember telling a waitress she had a pretty smile and telling myself "that was stupid" but to my surprise and utter shock, she loved me for it, remembered my name and said "hi" to me often.
So what Mystery considered "chump" was actually good.
I could never get Mystery Method down no matter how I tried; I now understand it inside and out but for some reason back in those days I just didn’t get it but thought “If it takes all this work to master it MUST be better than the simple stuff.”; I show too much interest in girls. It depends too much on other peoples' reactions to get anywhere, and it is cumbersome and too robotic; leaving you spending all your time trying to stay congruent and assess every move you make at the right moment.
Mystery himself has some weird problem with showing inerest at all. He says: "Girls get this all the time, you say 'you're beautiful' and she's like 'thanks loser'.
Then one day it all came together and I said to myself "That's it! I've had it!!!" Then I came back to direct and found the roots of the kid I had met in high school.
So I bought some CDs on direct which talked about how society blocks us and how the top performers in society give themselves permission to succeed with women.
I began to believe that much of this is just in our own heads; I've seen my friends pull girls consistently. My friend who is also a Mystery Method user pulled 8 girls in one month so it does work.
But is it the method itself? Or is it the BELIEF that creates reality?
Ross Jeffries talks about "No such thing". There is no such thing as "interest", no such thing as a "pretty girl". no such thing as "an opener", "a routine", or even "getting blown out"; none of it exists. Its all a map of the world.
And we all know that "The Map is NOT the territory".
Then I came full circle. Back to direct method and my original training to express myself rather than constantly analyze my behavior to make sure I’m putting on an appropriate show
So much for Mystery!
I learned that the key to pick-up is not being a hot and horny bastard, a beta-male or a guy who avoids a expressing their honest intentions and attraction to a woman because they were taught not to by a man who created a seduction system using male logic.
The way in to a woman’s heart and pants the quickest, simplest and most effective is to be truly romantic and complimentary and caring about her as a man should.
My time with Mystery Method or my time in prison as I like to call it is at an end. I don't mean to sound bitter because Mystery Method does work for some people but I and everyone I have taught competent direct game to has agreed that other methods of indirect and hidden intention are cumbersome and unnecessary and pale in comparison to direct; women also respect direct men whether they were trained to be or not and view it as courageous; not manipulative or cumbersome.
I think the problem lies in guys' temperaments; it’s probably something you're born with.
What I mean is, if you like girls and show interest in them, then don't choose Mystery Method because you will be incongruent with giving indicators or disinterest (IODs).
But if you can show an IOD congruently, then Mystery Method may work for you but hey, if pick-up were this simple all the "gurus" wouldn't be able to teach these complex methods and suck people in to $6000 seminars to pay for their mansions and sports cars.
One of my staple “openers” has become, “You’re very beautiful and I’d like to get to know you.” Showing interest works because its congruent with how you are on the inside and a woman will enjoy the fact that you are telling her she is beautiful (girls open guys because they are physically attractive) and that you are respecting and showing interest in her as a human being and she realizes that you are the confident, respectful alpha male who can protect her and provide comfort for her; the kind she is hardwired ot be attracted to, she will melt like butter in your hands.
I am simply being romantic on the outside because I am romantic on the inside and the interesting thing about using direct was that the hotter the woman I used it on the better it would generally work; 10s are rarely effectivley approached by confident, competent men who are genuinley interested in them so they will frequently give a look as if they have met their prince charming and will be eager to meet and get to know me.
Direct has a huge advantage over Mystery Method because it skips over alot of bullshit; you open with one line and jump to A3 and once you develop an unshakable inner game it’s effect is almost unparalleled however if you do not have unshakable confidence in what you are doing you will not be congruent and will fail at virtually every attempt.
- Chris
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