I used to be firmly against using canned openers, because I was just practicing day game on girls I met whenever I was out, and most canned openers seemed strangely out of context or too contrived, so I would go with a spontaneous c/f statement or something. Anyway I just recently went out to a club for the first time with some friends and I realized that you really do need (at least in the beginning) some sort of memorized opener and transition because I found myself competing in a much harsher environment lol. The music was loud, and the girls were interested more in dancing with their friends then responding to any c/f comments from guys (for more than a second at least).

Alright, enough back story, here's my question(s):

1.) Is it better to walk up and just start dancing with strong body language and then try to work some opener in, or is it best to just go for women who aren't dancing? (which narrows down the field a TON)

2.) Is this variation on the "who lies more, guys or girls" opener solid?
- Hey guys you seem really bored, so maybe now that I'm here things will liven up. But I can only stay a second bc I have to get back to my friends. Who do you think lies more, guys or girls?
-(they answer, most of the time it's girls lol) Really...Well there's a reason I asked you this. My friend Stacy over there just broke up with her boyfriend after they've been dating for a while, and the thing is, they were both cheating on each other. Well she's all upset because she can't tell who's fault it is, I mean, they BOTH cheated lol. So now its become a gender issue with who lies and cheats more, and we've been trying to figure it out. . .

- Does this transition story sound too wordy, should I pepper in some DHV's, and are there any ways in which I should alter this? Usually I wouldn't put a long backstory behind it, but me and some of my girl friends decided that without one it just comes off as a cheesy attempt at a pick up (like every other pick up line out there) because they'd be like "okay, why are you asking me this??"

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. I'm actually heading out to the club again with my friends on Saturday so it would be killer if you guys could respond before then.

When I'm running dance floor game I don't use "openers." Dancing is my opener, if I'm forced to say something it's an invitation for a dance compeition with my "friends" over there (Backwards Merge) or to say, "Check out those guys! We can totally show them up!" or something to that effect. Just something to get me into her person space, I dance for a second, step out of it to preserve her comfort levels then reenter.

As for your opener, I like the transition but not your first bit. If you call a woman bored she will be bored, she will be boring, and then she'll blame you for being boring and making her bored. Better off to just come in high energy and go with the old standby, "Hey! I've got to get back to my friends in a second but give me your opinion on something. Who lies more..." If that's a little wordy for you (It may be if the club is loud) cut it down to "HEY! Who lies more men or women?" let her answer, roll off while pushing her away and then reenter with your transition.

Remember you are a high value, fun, and social guy. You don't need a reason to talk to them and you don't want anything from them. Portray that with your body language, what you say is only minimally important.

Don't forget, "Hi!" is a perfectly good opener. The sooner you believe that the better off you'll be

Firstly, be careful when you approach girls on the dance floor. If your going to, make sure its from the front, and that they get a good look at you before you start dancing. Cause if you go up behind a girl and start grinding her, i'd say 90% of the time they'll be creeped out and stop you, but if they see you and approve of you first, then i'd say it would work more.

Another thing, you can talk on the dance floor too, its not restricted to just dancing. Once you are dancing, then begin convo, it allows for kino cause your dancing, plus you can get in even closer to whisper in her ear.

As for the "who lies more" opener, you don't need to necessarily back it up with a story, but as long as you back it up with something it will go smooth.
I think your story method would work, but i personally would say this,
"Hey im in an argument with my friends, and i need your opinion on something"
"who lies more, guys or girls?"
-->If te girls say "guys!" then follow up with,"I think your right. But only because you guys always force us to lie with ridiculous questions."
Like what?
-->Then do something like,"does this dress make me look fat?" (really get into it, and make them laugh. Works as a neg too)

-->If they say "girls" then follow up with "i agree, girls are so misleading"
-->If they ask why you and your friends are arguing about it, then i'd throw in your story.

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Good points Zig.

Hey, soma, i'm curious, do you discuss pickup tecniques with girlfriends?