Just need some advice on something,
As you all know Ive never been successful once with women, THATS RIGHT NOT EVEN ONCE!
Despite trying everything, every bit of my life has always ended in failure and disappointment with absolutely nothing to show for it despite all the hard work and effort ive put in.
Well in one of the pubs I drink in, theres this girl, Ive seen her in there for the last 4 months and basically she is amazing, good looking with a nice curvy body and she doesnt seem tarty and snotty like some of the girls you see nowadays.
But what it is, I dont even know her and she doesnt even know I exist, but I see guys hanging around her every time she is around.
What I want to know is, would I really have a chance with a girl like this and how would I approach her?
I mean I dont have looks on my side but every other quality in me(i.e:Personality,Intelligence,Humour,Spirit,Determination) would make me the best she would ever have, but in the modern world the real qualities mean shit.
I mean whats the point of this fucking life? The real people get nothing, maybe if anyone has any realistic advice of how Im going to try and get to know this girl please let me know, I know the chances are 99% that Im living in a fucking dreamworld and should forget it.

Don't be so down on yourself... Tons of people are in the same situation as you, isn't it a bitch how were so nervous just to have a nice conversation with someone? Read some material on this site for openers, or even just do a simple situational thing... There is also a big button on the home page for you to join chat which people are always willing to help in. Good luck and don't get yourself down for one girl

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You, sir, are being an idiot. The real qualities don't mean shit? That might be the case in your little dreamworld, but the way you sound right now, well, you have a wealth of other qualities that offset those few good ones.

What's the point of your life? Nothing. Everything. To die. What does it matter? You aren't a 'real' person or a 'fake' person any more than anyone else. Real and fake are just pretend terms that people like you use to console yourself. Why aren't I getting the girls? Because I'm real, and real people don't get shit.

Right.

You sound needy, depressed, and bitter. None of those are attractive qualities. If you DO posses your "real" qualities that make you better than everyone else you'll need to figure out how to show it. Oh, and I'd suggest not being so bitter or needy.

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And I lift my glass to the awful truth
Which you can't reveal to the years of youth
Except to say it isn't worth a dime

seriously man, I lack in the looks department, in my opinion. and that has never stopped me yet. Follow Mystery's rule of finding your avatar (outer appearance: clothes, hair, accessories, etc.)... then go here.. read some of David DeAngelo's material http://www.doubleyourdates.com... You seem to really need some help though man, try going to one of mystery's seminars...

Start out slow, don't expect to find sex with the first target you open a set on. Your first goal should be to simply get her name, then work from there. Tone you game up, mack on fat chicks, nobody has to know. Do what you gotta do man, but NEVER... EVER... degrade yourself because of a woman... If she causes you stress give her her walking papers and move on to the next... Hope I was some help...

Needy? Definately not

Bitter? Yes and every right to be.

I dont deserve the hand Ive been dealt and Im not going to pretend any of what has happened has been my doing because it hasnt.

In reality I know Ive absolutely no chance in all of this and the only thing that is stupid is me believing that life would finally give me what I deserve the right to a normal life.

Im probably better off dead than another 20 years of this shit because Ive had enough of it all I couldnt give two fucks what happens to me from now on.

If you are expecting pity you wont find any here. You will NEVER EVER have a chance with that kind of attitude, so maybe start off with that first if you wont change it then there is no hope. Being a pessimist is the worst kind of frame to be in to meet women, no wonder you are so depressed. Instead of feeling shitty that you cant get that HB9+ all the time, why not try and talk to some less attractive girls first. An engineering student in his first year wont be able to build a bridge, he needs to learn alot first. Coming to these forums and whining is the worst thing you can do, you have a wealth of information at your finger tips and you would rather feel like a sack of shit cause you got "dealt a bad hand" than take advantage of it and improve yourself.

Romeo is right dude.....u have a bunch of information here that you can use to your advantage. Also there are alot of books out there that help you with confidence building.....im not an attractive guy (i have a big nose) lol but what I think it all really comes down to is the confidence you have in you. I have been in the "game" scene for only about 2 months and i can already tell my confidence is rising day after day because now im not afraid to have an actual conversation with somebody.....and when i go out with my buddies to bars or clubs i could care less what a girl thinks of me because im there to have fun and enjoy myself....you have to change your attitude first and focus on your qualities.

Well tonight just about proved its not my attitude.
She was in my local again just sitting off with her mates, me and a mate were on the other side of the bar just having a laugh, chilling out.
She could have had chances to approach me but chose not to which obviously means she isnt slightly interested in me.
Not a glance or nothing.
Just shows how shit life is.

Ok, look... In all honesty, it doesnt fucking matter what hand you are dealt. Its what you do with that hand that makes the difference in your life. We have all been through some tough shit. Really tough shit. Some people have came out of their shitty reality to make something out of themselsves. Some people give up and blame their failures on everything and everyone but never take a look at themselves and realize they are the problem.

Why should she approach you? She is an attractive young woman with many male options out there. Why should she even aknowledge your pressence? What do you have to offer her? A shitty outlook on life?

Perception is reality. And right now everyone that reads your thread percieves you to be bitter, needy, whiny, anti social, and ignorant. You might be the most amazing man alive. Your attitude says otherwise.

Right now you have to change your attitude towards yourself. You will never be happy with a female if you are not happy with who you are. Change is going to have to start from deep within yourself.

The one quote that has always stuck with me in tough times....

"If you want something you have never had, you had better be prepared to do something you have never done."

Good luck.

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