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Not to be a smartass, but one hand can actually clap. Or it might not be the correct definition of clapping, but at least it can make a clapping sound. (I have a bad habit of feeling compelled to answer things which I disagree with, sorry)
If you're talking about one hand going through the motions of clapping: "The motion of one hand in a clapping motion would cause compressions and rarefactions in the air molecules, which is by definition, a sound wave. The problem is that the sound produced would be subsonic both interms of volume and pitch. If it could be heard, it would most definitely sound like a low pitched woosh."

If you're talking about one hand clapping on another part of the body or clapping with the fingers slapping the palm on one hand, this is not clapping. You can make noise with one hand, but the act of clapping is two hands coming together, in my opinion.

This question is supposed to spark this kind of debate. Hence, I cut the clap (hahaha) and got straight to the pith of the question.
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Anyways, while I’m sitting here, writing..
I’m attempting to read this entire thread, so far I am at page 45, almost there :P.

I have a few questions:

1) If a guy keeps his hands inn his pocket will he then appear to you as laid back? Or do you see it as negative body linga (like being shy, etc.)? And I’m not talking about people with bent backs, looking down at the floor with their hands inn their pants.
Hands in the pockets can be considered a defensive or insecure stance. In purist body language studies, this is negative body language. However, knowing the rules and breaking them is a separate issue. If you come across to others as laid back with your hands in your pockets, use it.

I suggest if you're going into rapport with someone and trying to get them to open up, take your damn hands out of your pockets. Get your palms facing up. It will subconsciously get her to feel more comfortable.
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2) Maybe this is a question which shouldn’t be asked inn a pickup-page, but anyways.
How do I make a girl loose her attraction to me without insulting her, or making me look like a fool? To make a long story short, a friend of mine has recently gotten a girl, and when I am out drinking with them this girl give me all these IOI’s which are really making me uncomfortable. I like my friend way too much to hook up with this girl.
I suggest not being a dick to her. That's a start. Then, why don't you just try getting to the chase and telling her that she makes you feel uncomfortable, even if she doesn't realize it. If you speak in "I" terms, and talk about how you "feel," she can't argue with that.

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Thanks for the reply.

But back to the important part: the clapping..
I'm talking about letting your fingers slap on the inside of your palms. If you loosen up your fingers (don't know a better way to explain this), and shake your hand back and forth, your fingers will slap your palm. And then make a pure clapping sound. You are just using one hand and there is no "woosh" sound ;).
And I'm really sorry if this thread suddenly turns into a "one hand clapping" thread. But as I said, I just can't leave these things


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Thanks for the reply.

But back to the important part: the clapping..
I'm talking about letting your fingers slap on the inside of your palms. If you loosen up your fingers (don't know a better way to explain this), and shake your hand back and forth, your fingers will slap your palm. And then make a pure clapping sound. You are just using one hand and there is no "woosh" sound ;).
And I'm really sorry if this thread suddenly turns into a "one hand clapping" thread. But as I said, I just can't leave these things
That is the "easy way out" answer, and I included it above.

The pith of the question is... when two hands move together, there is a sound. When two hands move apart, is there sound? Hence, if they are apart, and you are only talking about one... is it making sound and clapping?

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hey i got a question. You and a guy are dating or seeing each other. How would you feel if he told you that he was dating and seeing other girls also. Would you get pissed or would you be understandable. Because i told one girl that i was dating and seeing other girls and she got pissed and said she didnt want to talk to me anymore because of it. She told me that shes not a slut. I just figured that because were not in a commited relationship or anything that i was free to talk to other girls. So whats your take on this.


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hey i got a question. You and a guy are dating or seeing each other. How would you feel if he told you that he was dating and seeing other girls also. Would you get pissed or would you be understandable. Because i told one girl that i was dating and seeing other girls and she got pissed and said she didnt want to talk to me anymore because of it. She told me that shes not a slut. I just figured that because were not in a commited relationship or anything that i was free to talk to other girls. So whats your take on this.
Okay, for me, it's not exclusive unless you have the talk.

For some women, you have to be up front about your non-exclusive status from the start. You have to communicate once you reach a relationship stage. You probably waited too long to ensure she was clear on what it really was.

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Congrats! And I can't thank you enough for your advice and encouragement to become better since I started. (I know, AFC)

I've introduced a friend of mine to PU and this man is a "natural" with some sticking points. So how is this going to affect my game?


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The motion of one hand in a clapping motion would cause compressions and rarefactions in the air molecules, which is by definition, a sound wave. The problem is that the sound produced would be subsonic both interms of volume and pitch.
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Hands in the pockets can be considered a defensive or insecure stance. In purist body language studies, this is negative body language. However, knowing the rules and breaking them is a separate issue. If you come across to others as laid back with your hands in your pockets, use it.
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If a guy comes up to you (a stranger) and starts a conversation with something like "Hi, you look pretty, interesting so I decided to start talking to you", would that work, or does it create a bad first impression? (don't mind if he blows you away later in the convo) But if he opens you with something like that, would that make you interested inn talking to him? Would it charm you, or creep you out?

I've heard that you never should compliment a girl on her physical beauty, but I've seen/read about people who just starts out completely honest and puts all the card on the table at once.

Thanks in advance.

P.S I'm gonna use this thread to a max, I'm gonna squeese out all the info I can get from you.

P.P.S Guys, if you have any experience inn this area, fell free to pitch inn (If Zip allows it that is ;) )


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Exactly. James Dean looks relaxed, important, intriguing, brooding, and mysterious. However, "hands in pockets" is only one body language cue. Pair hands in pockets with a proud chest, weight distributed on the back leg, and you've got cosmic fabulosity. He's not open, but he gives off a certain vibe.

Pair hands in pockets with hunched shoulders, sinking chest, evenly distributed weight... and you've got insecurity and low spirits.

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I point to these purist examples of body languages and their behavior from http://www.deltabravo.net/custody/body.php

NONVERBAL BEHAVIOR INTERPRETATION
Brisk, erect walk ----- Confidence
Standing with hands on hips ----- Readiness, aggression
Sitting with legs crossed, foot kicking slightly ----- Boredom
Sitting, legs apart ----- Open, relaxed
Arms crossed on chest ----- Defensiveness
Walking with hands in pockets, shoulders hunched----- Dejection
Hand to cheek----- Evaluation, thinking
Touching, slightly rubbing nose----- Rejection, doubt, lying
Rubbing the eye----- Doubt, disbelief
Hands clasped behind back----- Anger, frustration, apprehension
Locked ankles ----- Apprehension
Head resting in hand, eyes downcast----- Boredom
Rubbing hands----- Anticipation
Sitting with hands clasped behind head, legs crossed----- Confidence, superiority
Open palm----- Sincerity, openness, innocence
Pinching bridge of nose, eyes closed----- Negative evaluation
Tapping or drumming fingers----- Impatience
Steepling fingers----- Authoritative
Patting/fondling hair----- Lack of self-confidence; insecurity
Tilted head ----- Interest
Stroking chin ----- Trying to make a decision
Looking down, face turned away----- Disbelief
Biting nails----- Insecurity, nervousness
Pulling or tugging at ear----- Indecision

Know what pairing and playing with body language makes YOU portray.

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If a guy comes up to you (a stranger) and starts a conversation with something like "Hi, you look pretty, interesting so I decided to start talking to you", would that work, or does it create a bad first impression? (don't mind if he blows you away later in the convo) But if he opens you with something like that, would that make you interested inn talking to him? Would it charm you, or creep you out?

I've heard that you never should compliment a girl on her physical beauty, but I've seen/read about people who just starts out completely honest and puts all the card on the table at once.

Thanks in advance.

P.S I'm gonna use this thread to a max, I'm gonna squeese out all the info I can get from you.

P.P.S Guys, if you have any experience inn this area, fell free to pitch inn (If Zip allows it that is ;) )
Okay... going up to a girl and directly gaming her ("You look interesting/pretty, I just had to come say hello") can work. I'd suggest using a situationally relevant pre-opener or playing some kind of eye-contact game with her first.

Look, it's not about what you say. In the beginning, I know it's easier to use the words as a means to an end... body language, vibe, and tonality are SO much more important.

It's important to know the implications of coming up to a girl with that kind of direct game. Either you have to caveman full fledge into it or you have to come across as charming and non-threatening. Also know that girls have men sleeze on them all the time "you're beautiful." It's boring. We punt them away. What makes you different? Look to your tonality and body language. She will.

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I personally tend to stand/walk with one thumb hooked in my back pocket (or in my belt just above my back pocket) and the other arm dangling to my side. It forces my chest out and drops one shoulder lower than the other. I'm a big fan of asymmetry in body language.


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Alright, I met this girl when I was out last night.
We ended up making out and exchanging phone numbers. I told her that I am leaving town tomorrow (today) but I'd might come back visiting on the 17th of may. She told me that I'd really have to call her then so we could see each other and I said sure I would. (btw. 17th of may is a day of celebration in Norway).

Later that night (remember I was a bit drunk). I did something I kinda regret. I wanted her to know we could keep in touch over cell, so I texted her some sleezy message I had read on one forum earlier which said "Stop doing that!" She replied "Stop doing what?", "thinking about me and smiling. See I bet you are doing it right now! (and for some reason I felt compelled to tell her what I was doing) Singing and playing Hero on guitar. Weird".

So my question is as follows.
Is this a train wreck?
Is there any way I can keep in touch with her up until 17may without making me look needy and beta?
Any good tips on how to break the "texting-Ice"?

I'll probably not be able to read your answer until next week, unless you are awake now (I guess its night in the states). But thanks


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Hello zip, I posted this question in the newbie section but it didn't get much attention...

I'm going for my first daytime sarge this weekend and I'm planning to go with my exgf as a wing. She is good looking and very loyal to me, the whole thing was her idea. How do I use her, what shall I tell her to do? I guess female winging isn't all trivial, but just some hints and somewhere to start would help me alot!

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