So my buddy is a few years older than me, I've known him while... but problem is he is AFC. Probably even a Way-Below AFC, so you can understand the frustation. He's a smart guy, though he tends to try and show off a little and gets a couple ONE-ITIS's a year , that he's not even F-Closing! pathetic i know. (Which basically pre-occupy his mind and defin prevent him from picking up i think). The way I look at it, as soon as he finds a HB 8, he'll marry her and she'll be with him because he will buy her lots of things and treat her like a queen, and she'll possibly get her emotional fulfillment elsewhere... Soo, yes I'm concerned but I've tried talking to him and he just doesnt fukin get it. I've literally walked this guy through with girls that he's met and he DOESNT listen to me and does the exact opposite (because he doesnt understand that girls dont like guys that are needy and buy them lots of shit and that show off! I mean I haven't mentioned the Game to him but I think if I did, he still WOUDLNT fukin get it.

What to do?

I feel you man on the friend being a total wuss. My brother has been going out with the same girl for 6 years she is a 3 or a 4 - I find her personality rather irritating although she is a very kind and caring girl. However he depends on her for everything. It is perfectly normal for me to take my parents and brother and girlfriend out to dinner and hear what has become his trademark lines:

Him: What Should I Get Liz?
Her: Well you like the chiken wings don't you?
Him: Yeah but I'm not really in the mood for them.
Her: What about the fish and chips.
Him: Good Idea, thanks liz (kiss on cheek)

He acts like that in almoast every aspect of his life. He spends almoast every minute with her and is a total wussy. He doesn't really have an passions of his own or any other friends he regularly sees. Basically the way we are is I walk into a resstaurant or to the mall or wherever with my brother I am out I will be the one getting looks from all the women through alpha body language and behavior and he will act like a total beta to the point that I have actually been with him and DHVd myself by comparison.

Personally we live very seperate lives and he doesn't see the fruits of my lifestyle (I'm not a run around sex guy [not that it's a bad thing] but I am very selective about my relationships)

If you want to change your friend, you should act in front of him - appeal to his sense of frustration by making him watch you get kiss closes after a few mins. Also, show him some YouTube vids of pick up artists and how they operate. Show him what you can achieve and why he should listen to you. I always tell my students to be the change you want to see in others - actions speak louder than words.

- Chris

lol you haven't done the one thing that could potentially change his entire life for the better?

He's seen me K-Close prob before, and seen me number-close many. But my point is, that he STILL doesn't get it!! i know tell me! But thanks for the input.

I feel what your going through - it's so hard to watch someone else go through this knowing they can have so much more but like a smoker, alcoholic or drug addict until they accept that they want and need to make a change there is not much you can do to help these type of people. Some have to take their own hits and get their ass handed to them on a platter before they will change and nothing else will change that.

- Chris

Yeh bro, I hear that. You're right, until he is ready and wanting to make a change.. its just that it seems as though he almost wants "that girl" thats going to milk him for everything and be his trophy wife. As sad as this sounds, I think this happens to guys ALL THE TIME, they're way too AFC or insecure and they accept it. I've even tried hinting this to him, and he still DOESN'T fukin get it.

So I don't know what to do, the guys missing out on soo much. I mean he's successful, smart, not bad looking, drives brand new sports car, has a nice pad... but he can't get girls if his life depended on it.

Anyway, enough ranting about this, what frustrates me the most, is that I have walked him thru step-by-step on what to do with a couple of the ONE-ITIS's that he has had... he doesn't listen and the fukin guy still comes off tooo needy! I suppose I just needed to vent a little ...

Tell him
He is doing what he's doing, and he is not making alot of success.
You are doing what you are doing, and you are successful.
Therefor he should atleast attempt to try what you're doing since what he has been doing is obviously not working.
IF THAT doesn't work... then he's obviously not as smart as you say he is.

hahahahaha

i know what you mean chief, but sometimes by mentioning the game to someone, you risk something-- sometimes people aren't open to the game, and they can react badly towards you

that being said, it is possible to explain the game to just about everyone, but you sorta have to "prepare" them for it-- "what i'm about to tell you about may seem unusual to you, or impossible..." and on top of that, you have to make sure that your friends don't go blabbing to everyone about how you're involved in the game etc.

Castig has made me aware that I didn't state my meaning of my previous comment clearly.

Why he laughed about that statement is beyond me but here is what I was referencing too: my brother is doesn't really talk to new people when his girlfriend is not around (even cashiers and such) and is generally afraid of confrontation of any sort. I will often step up and handle things for him when I am with him.

It sends a very powerful message when I am with him and women because he is my brother I can heavily play up the "protector of loved ones" card and convey as an alpha male that I look out for my beta brother and protect him. Moreover, I appear more alpha by comparison when I am with him.

This goes back to the rules of attraction: You can chose your friends so if you have AFC friends it is a DLV because you are hanging around with a bunch of nerds.

You can't choose your family so it is an unspoken rule that if you are the alpha in the family and look after your AFC family members this tends to be a DHV to most women which I have used to my advantage many times. I have had many girls tell me about how sweet it is that I look out for my brother and protect him and it has gotten me laid on more than a few occasions.

- Chris

Chris I agree.. I can only imagine how you are likely playing this to your advantage (even though I know you prob care for your bro, who is AFC, but I can defin see the benefit ) Nice way of using the situation to your advantage.. very smart.

Referring to the other comment. Yes you're right my friend is prob not as smart as I think he is. Yes he sees my success with women occasionally, though I think he's at a point in his life (mid 30s), that he's almost SET in his ways. He's been like this the last 35 years of his life, whats going to change him now?

Anyway, I haven't spoken to my buddy recently, but as the summer is fast approaching I think I will be selective of who I choose to go out with because I'm frustrated dealing with AFCs that don't help my game.

When you're hanging out with a MAJOR AFC, then it almost lowers your motivation to game girls, etc... and also as mentioned above, shows girls DLV because you are hanging around with somebody that girls may consider a "loser".

As harsh as this sounds, its the truth, and I'm not trying to be a jackass but ultimately if its gona affect me, then I must look out for myself and act accordingly... know what I mean guys?

Thanks I agree with myself as well.

As for using my brother you are correct in saying I care about him a lot. I gave up trying to change him a long time ago but in my use of him no one gets hurt so I have no complaints. I'd rather see him decide to change anyday. It never ceases to amaze me that I've help thousands of people learn to attract women but I can't help my own family lol.

I totally understand what you mean. It's hard but necessary to bump your friends sometimes - the truth hurts sometimes. Or at least split them into a different part of your life sperate from your romance.

Your friends will play a key role in how a woman views you. I learned computers (programming, building, ect.) as a part time job but I will never bring that up to impress a woman (obviously lol). If you are naturally charming and seductive but your friends are a bunch of nerds who just want to impress your hot girlfriend with their computer knowledge and tell her all about the latest service pack for Windows Vista they are going to look down on you.

I know plenty of people who by themselves could have a threesome with a group of perfect tens every night of the week but when their friends tag along with them suddenly they couldn’t get laid with $10,000 in their pocket.

- Chris