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I really appreciate the response. Thank you. I wasn't counting on your reply. Very few people live up to what they say.

I have come to notice that people don't listen to what I say. Whether it may be something important or even something minor, I can never get my point across. Even when I'm on the phone I always get asked "Are you sleeping?" That's horrible! And I hate that to an oblivion.


I would to go to a speaking coach or learning about vocals but I'm not able to at the moment so my question is this: Do you recommend any videos, books, or movements on how to improve my speech impediment?
I'm actually pretty knowledgeable on this subject. I've taken many vocal diction, projection, and singing classes. I freed myself of my southern accent through vocal deconstruction, which I believe is a school from Catherine Linklater. I'll have to double check.

Tell me more about your speech impediment. Your voice isn't strong? Is that it?

You need to learn to breathe from your diaphragm, project without force, and how to use your body as a resonator. Think about a guitar.... the entire body of the guitar vibrates to amplify the sound. Your body can do that as well. When I speak at work, I can feel vibrations in my hands, in my legs, and it's not because I'm loud.... it's because I have a full, resonate, powerful voice when I need it.

Tell me a little more, and I'll recommend some stuff. By what you've said, I'd say look up some books and taps from the Alexander Technique of vocal deconstruction.
You know it's so strange. I feel that I speak very well. I'm 19 years old and most of the time I'm told that I sound 22+ just because of how I talk. I find my voice so weird though. Like I'm not soft spoken but sometimes I listen to myself speak in public and I feel like I have a whiny-tone. Whenever I'm in clubs or loud areas, I have to project my voice and the tone of my voice does not exceed my expectations on how I should sound like.

The other week I went to karaoke with my cousins and we all sang one song together (Bon Jovi - Livin on a Prayer in case you're wondering). While I was singing, I was listening to myself and it was just terrible! I think I need to learn how to project my voice because I'm thinking that's one of the reason why sometimes people don't listen to what I have to say.

I have noticed that I would talk fast too. I would do that because I didn't want anyone interrupting me and because I didn't want to bore anyone. I figured that talking fast was a bad idea but so now I speak in a slower pace. I need to figure when it's the right time to pause and just conversing you know.... greatly lol.

Oh! Throughout my life, I have always had bad posture. I always try to stand up straight it gets difficult to remember every minute of the day.

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1) Whats your first reaction, when Someone Completely Anti-Social and weird and has been ignoring you for 5 years, Comes up for the very first time, And talks to you ?, And is this a reaction that can be turned for the better, and if so, how would you prefer it to be?

2) Does your Friends reaction influence your own judgement of someone you just met?


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Hey Zip, if you can try to think back to highschool for me on this question.

Im in highschool, and I can't really find a way to kino with my friend. She likes me, i like her, that drama shit ya know?


But its like....theres a wall, like, shes a stranger (which she is, I first got introduced to her on monday) But Its hard for me to kino with her.

What would you suggest, as non creepy, or whatever, your the woman.

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Awright, here's my question, Black leather trenchcoat yea or nay?
If you can rock it out, yes. I heard these great words from a stylist seminar I took the bootcamp to this weekend: "Make sure you wear the clothes, and they don't wear you."

Just realize that a black leather trenchcoat gives off a certain hardcore impression. However, if you can work it out so you can still get a girl comfortable and into rapport while wearing it... rock on, sir!

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1) Whats your first reaction, when Someone Completely Anti-Social and weird and has been ignoring you for 5 years, Comes up for the very first time, And talks to you ?, And is this a reaction that can be turned for the better, and if so, how would you prefer it to be?

2) Does your Friends reaction influence your own judgement of someone you just met?
1.) Depends. I'm going initially be like, "wtf?" However, if the guy can display that he's not just talking to me because he wants something out of me, or he charms and comforts the socks off me, I suppose it could be turned for the better. And don't think I wouldn't ask why he ignored me for 5 years.

If he's changed from being anti-social and weird, then hell, I'll give him a fresh look. I'd prefer him to come in and really take me by surprise, knocking me out of routine. I'd like him to pop into my life and offer me positive augmentation.

2.) I will absolutely consider their opinion, and it may sway me if I'm on the tipping point. However, I'm going to make decisions for myself. A woman that does not have as strong of a frame as I do will take her friends opinions absolutely into consideration, even to the point of making their point of view more valuable than her own.

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Hey Zip, if you can try to think back to highschool for me on this question.

Im in highschool, and I can't really find a way to kino with my friend. She likes me, i like her, that drama shit ya know?


But its like....theres a wall, like, shes a stranger (which she is, I first got introduced to her on monday) But Its hard for me to kino with her.

What would you suggest, as non creepy, or whatever, your the woman.
What do you mean you can't find a way to kino with your friend? How is she your friend and a stranger? I'm not following.

Look, if you want to kino her in a smooth way, just go for it. Teach her something cool and give her a hands on lesson. If you're kidding around with her, start by touching her extremities in a non-aggressive and casual way. Continue to escalate the kino until you can introduce a sexual frame.

Research Vincent DiCarlo's Kino Escalation Ladder.

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Zip - I've got an interesting LTR question for you.


I've gotten myself into an LTR with a girl - who was my first F-close since I started pua, and definitely my first activity in probably more than a year and a half now. We had a really intense honeymoon stage for about 2 weeks - we'd have insane sex, talk for hours, and generally be infatuated with each other and get along great.


A month in now - the vibe between us, predictably, has changed. She is no longer thrilled to hear from me when I call, I don't get random messages or calls from her during the day - and frequently now I'm getting the "as little information as possible" responses from her during conversation.

Instead of "yeah, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah" I get "Yes" or "No".

As well - shes said things like "I will never be able to fully trust you - which is why I didn't tell you what happened when I went out with my girlfriends on XXX night". This coupled with her startling insecurities is pretty draining - and I enjoy the time I spend with her less and less.



I would feel guilty and embarrassed ending it though, as I'm only a month in - and I pride myself on maintaining quality relationships. Both Ryelee and The Saint agree that this girl is nothing special - and while the sex is great, I'm not doing myself any favors by sticking around.



What are your thoughts on this? Do I give it time to even out, and continue to try and bail the ship, or abandon ship?

What is the underlying thought process behind the "as little information as possible" response?
Okay bro,

Some relationships just fizzle out. I would just say that you burned each other out and you could probably still mix it up a bit... but her whole "I could never trust you" shit makes me think she's the worst kind of manipulator. I wouldn't snip everything off with her, but stay in touch and go play elsewhere.
As far as the thought process behind the "as little information as possible" response goes, it usually comes when we lose attraction. We're bored. We're annoyed to be talking to you. We're probably working on something else while we're texting or on the phone.

I wish I could go more into this, and my responses on this subject seem short.... it's right to the point.

Either mix it up or cut it off. She's bored.

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And almost my 666th post. What are the chances??!?!

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And almost my 666th post. What are the chances??!?!
1 in 666.

PARTY Time!
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This thread has been an amazing experience. As I was going through all the pages today, it was interesting to see how it effectively freeze-frames different periods of this forum and of my own personal journey.

My mother answered three days worth of questions around page 17. I gave you my “bumping uglies” playlist on p.22. I’ve revealed the answer to the meaning of life on p. 48. It’s been almost hijacked 4 or 5 times, but here we are. 50 pages and still kicking.

Reading some of the earliest answers made me cringe. Looking over some of the attempted hijacking/drama made my stomach sink. Remembering when I was PMSing and answering questions made me laugh so hard that my dog judged me from across my apartment.

Realizing how far I’ve come as a teacher, student, PUA, and human being made me cry. And it is, in an enormous way, due to you.

Your questions have been the fodder for some of my favorite theories (Stalemate 101, Semi-permeable membrane, Called Shot Theory, Bad Boy Syndrome, etc.) Your support has helped me through some of the dark periods of my professional and personal life. Our inside jokes have made me laugh, and meeting many of you has been an absolute pleasure.

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Some thread-specific thank you’s:

Tripp: You started this thread, and I haven’t forgotten it. I know you can’t see this, but it’s right to put it out there anyway.
Saqchek: You piss me off, but you know I enjoy you. Thank you for keeping me on my toes.
Locke: Having you as a sounding board for ideas and theories is one the reasons I am who I am today.
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Medic: You were one of the first people I met from the board. Your friendship is an absolute pleasure.
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In celebration of this thread’s 50th page, and my 666th post, I shall recap some of this thread’s greatest quotations. Some make me cringe, many make me laugh, and a few inspire me to keep plugging along towards serendipity:



“A chicken can wear a big black fuzzy hat and get attention, but it's still a chicken.”

“Collared shirts? Screw those. You might as well be wearing camouflage in a forest.”

“If you're blabbing about this slut you banged, she's going to think 'this is how he will talk about me after I've trotted reverse cowgirl style on him.' Not a good thing.”

“In ancient Greece, wars were only started by the consent of an oracle. In modern bars, drawers are dropped over the cube.”

“I will only discuss the Sean Connery interpretation of James Bond because it is the only one that counts. He is sexy because he could never exist. He is eternally transient. He is every woman's dream and nightmare for a perfect man. Watch his movements, study them. He's like a panther. Personally, I find him sexy because he has cool gadgets.”

“[While I’m riding in your car,] give me a job. If you're in charge of driving, give me the radio or music selection. You could probably get a few good negs in there too if my musical tastes are a bit to '87 for you.”

“One of the most common misconceptions I see in beginning and intermediate PUAs is that they are 'too good' to try out canned material. I'm all for a more natural or self-produced style... but you have to learn the rules first in order to break them. It's a journey. Same goes for PUA literature. If you're too good to learn the history of the community and to be aware of what methodologies are out there... you'll never get farther than your own narcissism.”

“Don't bite the hand that feeds you, especially if you're asking for more.”

“Who we SAY and THINK we are attracted to is so rarely the one we end up fucking at the end of the night.”

“Stop being a pussy. With great power comes great responsibility (Spiderman Mantra.) And as Adonis' better looking twin brother: must suck not to have quite the cult following your bro does, but at least you don't have to constantly be on the lookout for boars.
Or, you know what: pick up some nasty habit like kicking kittens to make up for your mighty looks. That should bring those ladies down a notch.”

“ ‘youll youll’... what? I'll... I'll... make fun of you for not using proper capitalization and punctuation.”

“[Visualize] a princess is in a tower, waiting for her prince to climb up, rescue her, and take her away to happiness. The prince trots up on a donkey... it ruins the fantasy. She wants that fucking white stallion. These are the stories that our mothers read to us every night at a very impressionable age... you can't blame us for our tendencies to judge men's transportation.”

“I will punt you.”

“I have a morality issue with using NLP to get women into the bedroom. I feel like it's cheating. What fun is playing Zelda on Super Nintendo if you've got a walkthrough?”

“Some of my favorite boyfriends from high school were the ones who I made duck if any of my friends walked by.”

“Just being 'The Most Alpha Guy Ever' does not make you a PUA.”

“I love to deal with high quality people, even if that means conceding power every once in a while. I'm woman/man enough to admit that.”

“…these cases are rarer than I like my steak, which is practically still blinking.”

“Good thing you’re gay.”

“Girls aren't angels and guys aren't evil. We're all human beings, and we run the gamut of human experience.”

“If you can’t make me laugh, you’re too normal. If you can’t make other people around us laugh, you’re worthless.”

“No bikini waxes, but if you got back hair...I'm getting you into a salon, asap.”

“First date- I'll offer but the guy 99.9% of the time pays. Second date- I'll offer and say it's my turn, but if the guy really wants that check, fine. Third date- I pay or I'll punch him.”

“If women use their sexuality to dupe men, it's the responsibility of men to educate themselves. Is it okay to rob houses? I don't think so, but if someone leaves their doors wide open and their valuables out... I'm not going to feel sorry for them.”

“Thugie, darling, you can help me too and get back on topic. I do enjoy hearing about my fine ass, and I do have a love for a brother, but all that is moot. You want to game the girls on here, make your own topic.”

“I will verbally abuse him until he cries. This happens, more frequently than I would like. Actually, I really enjoy doing this. He deserves it for being tactless.”

“Hater's formula: talk shit + community response + your response + community interest = power to the hater

Player's disruption: hater talks shit + community response - your response (because you don't give a fuck) + community moves on = stalemate.”

“Hooking up with coworkers can be a total bitch though. You may have to deal with the repercussions if it blows up in your face. Balls are not optional in this situation.”

“My definition of a perfect kiss is like a good story. Exposition, climax, and a denouement that leaves me satisfied yet wanting more. Note: Exposition should contain a polite amount of moderation.”

“Neg away. If she's got piercing on her face, she's making a statement. I wouldn't be afraid to comment on it. Of course, a smile is probably a good idea when you're comparing her to Pinhead from Hellraiser.”

“I like self-confidence, a touch of cocky, and a touch of self-deprecating humor. I like variety and depth. Otherwise, my personality is too overbearing, and I will steamroll you like a squirrel on a highway.”

“I'll get to the rest of your questions tomorrow. My sleeping pill is kicking in now, and I'm starting to feel like Anna Nicole Smith.”

“As far as we're concerned, I am the Matrix.”

“This applies, generally speaking, to every single woman on the face of the earth. (okay, slight hyperbole)”

“Wow. I'm still not over the fact I was called a "bad mamma jamma." I think I'll get that tattooed somewhere.”

“It has been an ultimate goal of mine for like four years to have sex to jock jams once before I die. I just think it would be hilarious.”

“I don't believe in "true love." I believe all love is real, for if I conceded that I have loved falsely then I've also confirmed I think falsely. I still love all of my loves, though they are the few, the brave, and the proud.”

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I must say that your 666th post is your most eviiiil accomplishment yet.
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Wow you have actually read back your entire topic? Well congrats for reaching the 50'st page. And my compliments for being so commited to doing this these past 6 months (i looked it up). I at least really appreciate finally knowing the meaning of life :wink:

*Starts to celebrate*

PS these quotes are great :lol:

PPS what sound does one hand clapping make?

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what sound does one hand clapping make?
The question is logically inconsistent, and therefore cannot be answered logically. To answer the question, we would have to accept the premise that one hand can clap. But this is an impossibility, so there is no logical answer to the question.

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Not to be a smartass, but one hand can actually clap. Or it might not be the correct definition of clapping, but at least it can make a clapping sound. (I have a bad habit of feeling compelled to answer things which I disagree with, sorry)

Anyways, while I’m sitting here, writing..
I’m attempting to read this entire thread, so far I am at page 45, almost there :P.

I have a few questions:

1) If a guy keeps his hands inn his pocket will he then appear to you as laid back? Or do you see it as negative body linga (like being shy, etc.)? And I’m not talking about people with bent backs, looking down at the floor with their hands inn their pants.
2) Maybe this is a question which shouldn’t be asked inn a pickup-page, but anyways.
How do I make a girl loose her attraction to me without insulting her, or making me look like a fool? To make a long story short, a friend of mine has recently gotten a girl, and when I am out drinking with them this girl give me all these IOI’s which are really making me uncomfortable. I like my friend way too much to hook up with this girl.


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