Mistakes Men Make On The First Date



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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2006 4:21 pm 
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Wayne Ross... biggest mistake on first date!
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You may be shocked at the material in this section but I've talked to hundreds of women and they are in agreement that men are too aggressive, too pushy, especially on the first date. According to most women, men act like sex-crazed idiots, like a dog in heat. This goes hand in hand with the "D" technique, which I will describe in the next section. A lot of good-looking women expressed the same attitude as Tina did.
Tina — "I just don't understand men. They all think that they have to act like some kind of macho he-man to win over a woman. I met this real nice guy at a singles dance one night. His name was Jim and he came across as a sincere nice person. He asked me for a dale and I agreed. He wasn't that good looking but he seemed to have a real nice personality.

He picked me up for our date and right away I noticed a difference. Women know. In the car he seemed to be leering at me, as if he was undressing me with his eyes. He looked as if his tongue was hanging out and he kept panting like a dog in heat. I couldn't believe that this was the same guy who I had met a few days earlier.

He took me to a movie and put his arm around me. That was nice and romantic but he started kissing me on my ear, which was a real turnoff for two reasons. It was too soon after I met him and it was in a crowded movie theater. He was also breathing hard like he was extremely worked up and raring to go.

We went to a singles bar afterwards and that was even worse. I love to dance but not with him. We danced a few slow dances and that was enough. On the dance floor he was humping me as we danced. It was crude and vulgar. I was embarrassed and humiliated. I felt as if I was being raped on the dance floor.

I finally told him that I didn't feel well and had to go home. At the door he asked if he could come in for a drink or a cup of coffee. What nerve! I told him to go to hell and slammed the door in his face, He called me many times after that but I would never go out with him again. Where are all the nice, courteous, romantic men? Practically every guy I meet expects sex on the first date. I want to be courted in the old fashioned romantic way. Maybe it's just a dream. There are no nice guys around."
It's a shame that Tina feels I hat way. There are a lot of nice guys around but most of them are misguided as to how to treat a woman on the first date. A woman is not a piece of meat. She's a wonderful person with feelings.

A lot of books I read on meeting women say to move fast, that women like it when a guy moves fast. This is total B.S. Do not feel that every lime you take a woman out it must end up in a heavy love making session, especially on the first date. Ignore some of the advice you may have heard about speeding up when you're with a woman. A woman today wants a man who is different and unique. Show her some consideration and respect especially on the First date. You will rarely seduce a girl by being too horny. The more desperate you seem for sex, the less a woman will want to have sex with you.

For a woman nothing is more important than having a man take his time. Usually this is not what a woman runs into. Most men bombard women with sexual demands. If they don't come right out and ask the woman to go to bed with them, they usually act sullen and withdrawn until the girl agrees to give them what they want. This is a real turnoff because most women read this as sexual anxiety and insecurity. It's a real turnoff.

A slow pace is what the skilled lover takes. When he finally decides to have sex the woman is a very willing target. The advantages of taking your time are numerous. You are different from the hundreds of men stampeding after sex. Taking your time implies to a woman that you're a skilled lover, whether you are or not. It allows you to get to know a woman in a relaxed way so when you do make love to her it will be very exciting and wonderful. In the world of winning with women, it is one of the best techniques there is.

This is very important. Don't push and push a girl to have sex. This goes hand in hand with the "D" technique, which I consider dynamite in winning women. Use the "D" technique and be prepared for hoards of women to fall in love with you.


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I always have conflicting thoughts in my mind when I read dating advice coming from women. It always seems like women don't actually know what they want, and they also say they want one thing but want another.

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What a stupid hoe. She probably felt lonely after that and went and fucked a bartender somewhere. Ugh.


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That guy is just too needy and desperate, hes acting like he hasnt had sex for a hundred years. Imagine if you were going out with a fat girl and shes acting like how the guy did. I would freak out too..


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Its well known among PUAs that comfort building is usually necessary before sex. Mystery believe 8 hours of comfort building is enough, which is a decent enough rule of thumb to follow. I don't think that many guys learning how to become a PUA typically act like the guy in your story.


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Wayne Ross... biggest mistake on first date!
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He took me to a movie and put his arm around me. That was nice and romantic but he started kissing me on my ear, which was a real turnoff for two reasons. It was too soon after I met him and it was in a crowded movie theater. He was also breathing hard like he was extremely worked up and raring to go......
Sounds to me like the guy didn't build enough comfort, or use any sort of compliance test with kino... She must have been giving IODs if she was that turned off. He just didn't pick up on it.

I'd say that this is something that you have to evaluate case to case.
BTW... I doubt this guy was a PUA


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(Please excuse any and all grammatical errors and horrors)Women tend to say one thing verbally but in the end they might not be saying the total truth. And this may occur uncontiously, they think they want one thing but don't realize that in there subconscious they want else.
As my friend Stonecutter1 just said, he did not build enough comfort (KINO escalation). On the other hand, this guy Tina is mentioning does not seem to be a PUA, not even a newb on training wheels.

Murfster, I disagree. A PUA should NEVER disrespect a lady, never. Specially If WE are playing them as a GAME.

(QUOTE) = A lot of books I read on meeting women say to move fast, that women like it when a guy moves fast. This is total B.S. Do not feel that every lime you take a woman out it must end up in a heavy love making session, especially on the first date. Ignore some of the advice you may have heard about speeding up when you're with a woman. A woman today wants a man who is different and unique. Show her some consideration and respect especially on the First date. You will rarely seduce a girl by being too horny. The more desperate you seem for sex, the less a woman will want to have sex with you.

About ignoring some advice and about speeding up. Well thats every persons prerogative, you could do that if you like but as said by many GURU's before. There is No foolproof technique and not all techniques are adequate for every person. Speeding up DOES actually work well specially when there is a TIME CONSTRAIN being used. It all depends on the situation.

(TIME CONSTRAINT-nown: to tell a woman or a group of people that it is necessary to leave them soon. The purpose of a time constraint is to lessen a woman's anxiety that a man she has just met will hang around her all night, or that she is expected to have sex with a man upon entering his house. Also: false time constraint. Origin: Style.)

(QUOTE) = For a woman nothing is more important than having a man take his time.

Well thats not always true either. I have been able to walk into the field and picked up a girl in the time it takes to walk to the bar and back. Taken her to my house and pushed my self so deep into her cerebellum that she begged me to let her call me by her husbands nick-name while I pounded her from behind. Then I dropped her off exactly well I pick her up, then left and never saw again. I cant even remember her name or eye color. All I remember was that she was a HB9 and it took me No time at all.
And on the other hand I have had to work my way up for weeks to get to a girls heart in order to get into her legs. It all depends on the KIND of HB your aiming for (And I am not_NEVER talking about slaughty cunts) I mean beautifull, gorgeous 8,9 & 10 point HB's for a 1_night stand or a 1_month/year/lifetime girlfriend.

In the end I think, the biggest mistake by that AFC Tina went out with was not to be part of the best forum out there, The Pick-Up Artist Forum. I have never participated in a forum before that actually intrigued me. Truthfully I never understood the fuzz about forums, until today. This is my first post and hopefully one of many to come.

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What a stupid hoe. She probably felt lonely after that and went and fucked a bartender somewhere. Ugh.
wtf is this? You sound like the guy in the OP


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Well that guy that Tina dated had some REALLY bad game.
And women truely DON'T KNOW what they want, ever.
I garuntee if that guy would have been just as nice for a date or two he'd get LJBFed.
Just follow the guidelines and master the material and the intuition will come naturally and eventually all your game will become very natural.


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im no Pro PUA but i think it depends mainly on the background. by that i mean where they come from and what they are into. i say this because at college i hang around with most of the women there and they all say different things that want to see in a man, one prefers a nice romantic night with candles and a movie, others prefer to go out on a date and finish the night humping the daylights out of eachother and the list goes on.


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The best PUA I ever knew, waited and never pushed. I dated him for three months total. He made me wait actually. It was not about instant gratification. He used push pull techniques in the sack. He was the best and he showed me how experienced he was, by the time he took to get me, he had shown me how worth it he was. You guys want to set up a lasting impression on a HB 9-10+ well then take your time. I know what I want now. He set the bar. Go out there and set the bar for some chick, you will always be remembered. Believe me. It will not be a waist of time.


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What, simply, is the d technique?


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What, simply, is the d technique?
i was wondering that


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it also depends on want you want with a girl and what they want out of a relationship with you. Some girls only want a fling and others want something serious.

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Pushing for sex too hard makes you look desperate. In fact, if she resists, you should look TURNED OFF, not more eager to push her. Not angry, but turned off - just pull away for a bit. Push-pull is what accelerates women's desire to have you.

Just doing the "push" part is only effective with about 2% of girls - the ones that want to be taken instantly.

Even with kissing and making out, it works.

It's TRUE that women want to be taken, but only when they DESIRE it. How do you make her desire it? Use push-pull to make it look like something irresistible that she may never have again.

If you get Swinggcat's book, he explains how to even use COMPLIMENTS as a part of push-pull and mack her into chasing YOU.

MAKE HER AN OFFER SHE CAN'T REFUSE.

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