yea Ismith

what does tyler durden know? its not like he's a one of the top leaders in the game today

I am curious as to what your (obviously) superior method(s) must be. Sharing is caring, so do tell. Write a post of your own, an opener, some routines, ways to DHV, Phone tactics, whatever. I think I speak on behalf of everyone, we would love to see what you have to offer.

EVERYONE KEEP YOUR EYES PEELED FOR I.SMITH'S NEW POST ABOUT HIS SUPERIOR METHODS TO MYSTERY, TYLER DURDEN, DAVID D and everyone else's methods at bristollair

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I believe this is the problem. You are looking for magic bullets that will get you the girl rather than developing a lifestyle and personality that women are naturally attracted to.

Isn't it funny to watch two guys in field: One is the guy who is trying to "be alpha" and the other one . . . well he's just comfortable in his environment, he just IS.

It's a mindset, a lifestyle, a philosophy. It is not a trick, tactic, or routine.

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muse iguess alot of people are on here looking for the canned mterial quick fixes.
and your right in saying its th mindset that will be stronger than any routine or line.
but th enitial post was his prayer which can "get" him or "stop" him straying from that mindset.
even if people use a different mantra or saying for there to keep there frame work look at this for an idea.
think of it as a cheat sheet for your mind set, if you were struggling of thinking of lines u check your cheat sheet, if your mindset was wandering then recite this and it may get you back on track.

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I.smith, the point of this "prayer" -note that I have used inverted comma's- is to improve your inner-game, some people need a bump of confidence, it's simple therapy for low self esteem. Which has been proved in and out of the laboritories to be a successful method of helping remove detramental mind sets.

To say that trying to consiously improve your inner game is stupid is like denying an entire 50% of what the game actually is.


Different methods work for different peole.

No one says you can't be "pro-active" with gaming AND use little speeches for instance when you're out jogging saying it to yourself in your head.


Combo=win as far as I am concerned.

oh my, this argument has just gone from bad to worse. Everyone has to see each others point of view more openly. This is just a massive ego-conflict now. Whos alpha? fucking nobody.

Smith, guys on this forum are dependant on crutches, thats how they are. You know this.

To everyone opposing smith: Stop distorting what hes saying, your embarrasing yourselves. I mean healthy arguing is fine but putting words in his mouth and rebutting things he never even said is stupid.

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What a title!

I see where smith's opinion is, it's a simple opinion that comes up in every community around the globe.

"Oh thats bullshit, do something that works properly."

You get it in martial arts, fitness, PUA, school revision, staff training and appraisal, and I appreciate that sometimes that route can be the right one to travel down.

As for twisting what is said, as far as I've seen Hobbit has been quoting to back his argument.

It's easy to say "don't put words in my mouth". I've contradicted myself and said that.

If Smith or anyone else on this forum thinks what they have said is being misinterpreted. It's THEIR responsibility to explain it fully and correct the misinterpreter. Rather than exclaim "you're twisting what I'm saying" and leave it at that.

Hobbit, I'm really not interested in going line-for-line with you in an attempt to reassemble the post you've broken down and responded to individually. Debate is my thing, but sometimes you just gotta let it go, this PUA Prayer isn't _that_ important to me. I was merely trying to say I think its a silly thing to do, and that _me_ personally would rather spend my time doing something that will yield _noticeable_ advancements in my persona (both inner and outer). I'm not going to respond to you breaking this into semantics, the word 'absurd' can be used in many different ways. Welcome to the 21st century, a place where language is contingent upon the times, context, tone, region, and any number of other variables. Princeton isn't the be-all-to-end-all source of the English language, sorry if you think so. Again, I won't take it further than that, just voicing what _I_ thought about the prayer, no where was I being superior, if you think so, I would guess it's because you aren't accustomed to the way I write. Nothing personal bro.
Dude, you're barking up the wrong tree here with your Tyler Durden (and other guru) stuff man. I'm just not a fan, and I'm not impressed by it. Telling me he is "one of the top leaders in the game today" means absolutely nothing. Plenty of men have been completely sucessful with women with the help of Tyler Durden, and I assure you there will be many more to come. PUA isn't the only way my friend, just one path (out of many) some choose to follow because it's laid out for them.

Taunting me won't do anything either. If you'd like to hear my ideas in depth, I'll be happy to share a post regarding my thoughts on the PUA community. However, I'll tell you right now, it's not from a PUA's perspective, so you won't find any "ways to DHV", "phone tactics", or methods and routines in it. Sorry, that's just not my style. I'd rather just pick up the phone, not think about it, and speak. Why? Because there is nothing to fear. Stop making social interaction such a chore, when in reality it's quite easy. We're all humans, theres no reason to let a little case of the butterflies stop you from calling or talking to a woman. Feel the fear and do it anyway, it's part of being human, it's part of who you are. Embrace the jitters and roll with the punches. If you get turned down, laugh about it and move on. If you don't keep talking, be yourself, I'm sure there's an interesting and intriguing person inside all of us. "Running out of things to say" is a mental hurdle, learn to jump them how? With all of life's experience!

Different strokes for different folks, if you like following some guru, then more power to ya. I just don't see it that way.

Ismith

I see where you are coming from. I don't worship any one method myself (for the record). I was always a natural, and I'm assuming you are in the same boat, but we are still human. We get discouraged we get down and If praying isnt your thing for inner game thats cool. I don't worship anyone in the community or so called "gurus" but I listen to what they have to say and take advice where I can see possible improvement. See, whats interesting is the formula is pretty much the same no matter who its coming from, the only thing about the community is that it's laid out, given labels and terms and shit, when we were in high school and we played sports and did our own things, we didnt know it, but that was the same as DHV, we just never called it that, so whether you do or "dont" practice pick-up in the traditional sense, we ALL use the same things, we might not call them the same things, but it pretty much is. I will also agree theres no magic formula, I Never said that shit, I only said "Hey guys, this will help you get better". You're mr intellectual, you should know how powerful prayer (thoughts) is to your actions (and your subconcious mind). This has completely nothing to do with pick up, Prayer for anything. For kicks or for anyone else who would like to know what I am talking about, pick up your bible thats collecting dust and read MARK 9:23 "All things are possible for those who believe" and there's a million other references in the bible as well. Also a great book to read on the subject is "The power of your subconcious mind" by joseph murphy.
Amen to your quote above, This is the most real and the most sense you've made in any post

haha it's been fun though

all in all, respect

-d mid

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