Dr. Phil 4/11!!!! Women beware PUA's on the Prowel



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:42 pm 
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Friday - April 11, 2008

Women Beware!
Women beware: Men are on the prowl! Some guys win your heart and dupe you for thousands of dollars, while other men learn the slick techniques of pick-up artists so they can get you in the sack! Go inside a classroom where single men are being taught The Mystery Method -- a step-by-step technique on how to meet, attract and date beautiful women. The instructors say their method teaches guys to be more confident. When the students hit the bars, will The Mystery Method help them land a lady? What do the women think of their techniques? Then, meet Ross Jeffries, the self-proclaimed "Father of Seduction." He says he’s taught thousands of men to seduce women through language. Now he fears that he’s created monsters, because many of his followers are seducing woman through deception, and he says that’s exactly what The Mystery Method is all about. A heated debate ensues between Ross and the creators of The Mystery Method, Nick and Scott. Is Ross’ technique actually as benign as he claims? And, Victoria says she fell in love for the first time with a guy whom who she thought was the perfect man, until he she says he ended up scamming her out of $100,000. Did Victoria miss the warning signs? How can she pick up the pieces of her broken heart and move on? If you’re a lady looking for love but don't want to find heartache, you won’t want to miss this show!
WTF?!?!?! Show airs tomorrow. I will be dvring this.

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Oh joy... luckily its mostly old ladies that watch that shit but...


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I love how they always try and make us out to be monsters. Of course its only when you really try and help yourself that people get all wierd...if i picked up a meaningless self help book on finacial concepts, or parenting, or orogomy, no one would care...but as soon as i try and become more confident, more attractive, and have a better love life people go ape shit.

The funny part is they never get anyone to interview that really challenges thier case. Someone like Style or Mystery would destroy claims that its lieing or "cheating"...theyd highlight and make people understand that its self improvement.

Its more aggrivateing to me that people cant be open minded then it is to see people try and attack or put the spotlight on us.

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I just checked it on my Tivo. It will air tomorrow 4/11 at 4:00.


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I can see how it can be perceived that way. I'll admit that I thought it was a load of crap and a way for men to manipulate women. Sure, I think a lot of men do that, but I have come to the realization that most of the guys who learn this stuff are trying to better themselves. I think it teaches you to be more social and develop techniques to approach and talk to people. First impressions are incredibly important and you have to admit the whole "dating" is just one big game (for both males and females).

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I would rather PUA be generally percieved as a joke or money hole ploy than a predatory evil method of selfish sex hungry dominance.

And WTF is this they cant even get their fucking facts straight:
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A heated debate ensues between Ross and the creators of The Mystery Method, Nick and Scott.
Who in the fuck is Nick and Scott?


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these types of stories air when the media doesnt bother to do comprehensive research and thereby contributes to stereotypical judgments, blanketing an entire community in an avalanche of criticism
heck.. i used to think that some of this stuff was manipulative... and guess what! it can be!! its all about how people apply the material and knowledge that theyve gained-- being a PUA doesnt mean that you're manipulative-- manipulation is a personal choice that scumbags make

EDIT: If anyone finds clips of this on youtube.. anywhere... please post them!!! i wont be home when this airs!!


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I would rather PUA be generally percieved as a joke or money hole ploy than a predatory evil method of selfish sex hungry dominance.

And WTF is this they cant even get their fucking facts straight:
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A heated debate ensues between Ross and the creators of The Mystery Method, Nick and Scott.
Who in the fuck is Nick and Scott?


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Despite how atrociously and inaccurately they are going to depict PUA, I'm really looking forward to seeing this shit.


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LOL, i was just about to start this EXACT thread. Looks like someone beat me too it. I got it DVR'ed, intrested what he has to say about PUA's. This should make for a good laugh!


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Looks like Ross has a bit of a business agenda here. Guess we'll see today.

Also, I love how Dr. Phil is pairing this "PUA exposed" thing with some guy who scammed a woman out of a lot of cash. Tricky bastard.

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"Ross warns that the seduction scene has a dark side. "There are people in this community who are teaching methods and tactics that I think women should definitely be aware of. There are people who are teaching some very sick, twisted stuff," he says. "I do feel sort of like Dr. Frankenstein. I’ve given birth to monsters. There are 10,000 bastard children of mine running around. I sort of feel a responsibility to clean it up. I would like to put them out of business if I could. Had I not started this, they wouldn’t have been around."

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“I don’t think there’s anything wrong with men learning to be more attractive, getting women into bed,” he says. “What disturbs me is that the other schools that have cropped up rely a lot on of invalidation, on making women doubt their own attractiveness, on techniques that make women uncertain whether they’re being complimented or insulted. They’re digging into people’s lowest emotions: their fears, their insecurities, and I don’t think that’s a valid way to attract someone.”

“You said both men and women want to have sex. Is that the objective of your technique?” Dr. Phil asks.

“The objective is to give men choice so that they can create attraction at will,” he says. "If you cannot create that attraction, you're not going to get a one-night stand, you're not going to get a relationship, you're not going to get married either. You're going to hear, 'Let's just be friends.'"

“What you’re hearing from the other guys is not the entire truth. What you heard up here made it seem like it was all sweetness and light, but there’s a lot of stuff they’re doing that’s actually really kind of nasty,” Ross says, explaining, “One of the things they rely on doing is flipping women back and forth between feeling like they’re being approved of and feeling like they’re being criticized. They do something called push-pull, where they’ll give the women a little attention, and then they’ll pull it away, so she doubts whether they’re attracted to her or not. They use a lot of invalidation, the theory being that if you invalidate a woman, she’ll have sex with you to prove her attractiveness.” He adds that they use canned routines, and when they ask for a woman's opinion, they really don’t care. "There's a lot of deception."

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Ill agree with you Zip. It does seem more like Ross is doing it more to promote his business and less about his concern for women. I don't know much about Ross Jeffries stuff, but from the things I have read it seems decietful than MM.

I watch Dr. Phil alot, and he does his homework. He will read the books look it up online.... the guy and his staff know what they are doing. Im really looking forward to see what he has to say about the whole thing. The show caters towards women so I am not seeing PUA as being shown in the brightest of lights here.....

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Who in the fuck is Nick and Scott?
Savoy and Don. There part of the MM group.

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Who in the fuck is Nick and Scott?
Savoy and Don. There part of the MM group.
I believe those guys basically appropriated MM from Mystery himself, which is why he moved to Venusian Arts.

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