I posted a super long thread about a Day 2 I had with an HB on Sunday. She initiated kino on me a number of times, but I was being an idiot and didn't touch her back. She got a little cold after a while. I got her number at the end of that day (yep, got the number on Day 2 sicne I see her regularly at her work).

I usually wait 3-4 days before calling, but since I failed to show interest by returning kino on Day 2, should I call her tonight so I don't keep her waiting too long? Also, are there any specific things I should do in my phone game to let her know that I'm really interested in her or should I just run general phone game (simple and quick, decisive, confident, etc.) My goal is to set up a Day 3 where we're together while she's not at work. Thus far, the only times I've seen her was when she's working.

Yes.

And don't wait 3-4 days please. Jeez.

3-4 days is bad? Damn, I've been doing that all along.

If she is showing definite signs of interest, then yes it is bad. Fuck the rules and whoever made them. I break them.

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Called. Everything's good. Thanks Chief and Ice. I need you guys to hold my hand from time to time. =P Relatively new to this stuff compared to most members.

Very nice work if it went that smooth on the phone that you've got a day3 with no hastle, voicemail, or buyer's remorse. What approach did you take and how did the conversation go?

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Yeah, I was surprised at how easy it was. Here's the huge post about our Day 2 if you care for background info: a-lot-of-conflicting-signals-from-hb-vt19628.html

If you don't want to read all that, basically she's a girl I met at her work. For Day 2 she helped me with my grocery shopping. She has a boyfriend that she hasn't told me about (I found out through her myspace). Got her number on Day 2 (this past Sunday). That day, I told her about a blind date my friends had set me up on. This was the basis of my Mystery style phone game.

Phone conversation went something like this. Mostly paraphrased, but you'll get the gist of it:
J: Hey, it's J. You suck.
HB: What did I do?
J: Well I was on that blind date I told you about and she was a nice girl, someone I can see myself being friends with, but throughout the date, I caught myself comparing her to you.
HB: Wait, what? Why?
J: You had this really good energy about you on Sunday and when I was with that girl, I kept thinking about how she should be more like you.
HB: Are you going to see her again?
J: Not in a romantic way. We're just going to end up as friends.
J: Hey, ever since you mentioned Starbucks, I've been wanting to go. I haven't been for months. I'm pretty busy this week with friends coming to visit and tests, but I'm thinking about taking a break from studying and heading to the one downtown on Thursday night. You should come with me.
HB: Okay, I have work though so I'll have to call them to see if I can get out early.
J: What time do you get off?
HB: 10
J: We can go afterwards. We can meet there or I can pick you up.
HB: Yeah, pick me up from work.
J: Alright then, I'll call you on Thursday to get the details.
J: Hey, real quick. How much do you spend on your hair a month?
HB: What?
J: How much money do you spend on your hair every month.
HB: Um... probably around $50. Why?
J: Well, I have an amusing story about the girl from my date. I'll tell you on Thursday.
HB: Oh okay.
J: Someone's on the other line though, I'll talk to you later.
HB: K, bye
J: See ya

Kept it short and simple and tried not to ask her on the date. I was afraid that she would say no and tell me that she had a boyfriend, but she immediately agreed. I also thought it was a good sign that she asked me if I was going to see that other girl again. Also left an open thread before hanging up.

Comments/Criticism on my phone game is welcome. I'm not very good at it so any suggestions you guys can make would be great. I'm really into this girl so I don't want to mess anything up. Do I have one-itis with this girl? Probably, but whatever.

That was awesome phone game IMO, short, sweet, built intrigue etc. Good work.

I really need to work on my phone game...I suck at it.

Thanks for the details J, exactly what I was hoping for. By the way, your phone game was flawless based on what you wrote. I can't tell how you delivered it, but it reads perfect. Congrats, and keep us informed how it goes =)

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That was damn good phone game.....keep it up bro

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Update: Supposed to go to Starbucks tonight at 10. Called her not too long ago (around 3:30) and I think she hung up on me. I think it rang twice and then the call ended. No voicemail or "call was lost" message. It's about 6:30 and she still hasn't called back.

I'm pretty confused by this. She sounded really excited on the phone on Tuesday. I'm not really sure what my next move should be. Supposed to pick her up in a few hours.

Update #2: This got messy real quick.

It was around 8:30 and I"m heading over to pick her up. I get a text from her saying "Hey. My mom won't let me go out tonight =(" (Yeah, she's in high school so parents still call the shots). So I'm almost there anyway so I thought I'd stop by and say hi. I call her to tell her this, but she doesn't pick up. Was calling her after she texted me that a wrong move? It seems a bit AFC to me. Also keep in mind that I know she has a boyfriend, but she doesn't know that I know.

So I'm walking towards her work and I see who I think is her boyfriend standing outside. I'm not 100% sure it was him, but I think I recognize him from her myspace pictures. I quickly turned around and hope that she didn't see me. At this point, I was pretty confused so I hung around out of sight trying to decide what to do. I don't think she saw me though. I decided to leave and just talk to her on Sunday when I usually stop by.

What do you guys think I should tell her on Sunday? I'm pretty confused since she sounded like she was really happy that I called on Tuesday, but today, it seemed like she hung up on me when I called at 3:30 and then she didn't return my call when I called her back after she texted me.

Opinions and suggestions?

At this point, I'd be putting all my energy into gaming other girls.

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Yeah man.

If i were you, I would do a freeze-out. I don't know if I would stop by and talk. If it's really a ritual and something you do all the time, then I suggest you just come in, get your food, sit down and eat. If she tries to talk to you, act like if nothing happens, but don't really engage conversation.

You are starting to portray yourself as very needed and attached to her. We need to shatter that and re-frame you as the one in control

Man, this is really confusing. I don't understand what happened to change her mind from Tuesday to Thursday. Granted her boyfriend was there (if that was him), if she actually was interested, she should've at least called back by now. Logical thing would be to move on like you guys said, but I don't think it's a lost cause yet. I guess I'll see what happens the next time I see her.

Would sending a blank text now to see if she responds appear needy from her perspective?