I hooked up with a smoker girl last night. She's cute enough, and I knew she was into me, but I absolutely hate smoke. Still I went along with it to make sure that all the signs I had been receiving were real and that I could follow through.

Planting the Seeds: We met at a coworker's bday party. He was drunk and kept telling this girl how beautiful she is, touching her, and describing what he'd do to her sexually. Naturally she got creeped out and pissed off. She sought refuge with me and another coworker of mine (a real natural alpha male who i've mimicked in the past). We paid her no attention all night and when she needed to be saved, she came to us because we didn't treat her like a pair of tits. She lives in Queens with me so at the end of the night we shared a cab home and exchanged numbers. She hadn't stopped texting me since that night.

Missed Opportunity: I had a house-warming party, this was the basis of our number exchange. I've learned well enough that it's better to invite a girl to join you on your plans instead of taking her out one on one. However she missed my party because she had to work an evening shift. Still she's texting me regularly. Tons of "lols" in her messages. Long txt messages that break the 160 character restriction so they come in as two messages. We have a conversation going and I tell her to come to my neighborhood so we can "continue our conversation". I think I got that from David D.

Gay Bars: This was another thing I had read and internalized. Bring her to your hood. The plan was that she would come to have a drink with me at a local bar, the bar is literally 2 blocks from my building. It's mostly a gay bar but the crowd varies, it's got lots of old chairs and sofas and the lighting is red and dark. After the drink I took her to this Italian restaurant which is across the street from my building. Just by chance they had live Jazz music last night. She smokes a cigarette before the bar, before the restaurant, and before coming upstairs to see my new apartment (which is so nice that it's an attraction switch on its on). The entire time, my word choice for viewing my apartment lays the basis that she's coming up to see it quickly and then getting the heck out of there. She sits on my bed, there's a little awkwardness because I haven't been building any kino at all. (i'm completely hands off still because that drunk bday guy was the exact opposite). I tell her "well let's get you a cab" and she looks at me and goes "what?!" So i tell her, "okay you can hang out for a bit". We turn the tv on and she gives me a backrub. It doesn't go beyond making out with a little dry humping. She sucks on my tongue as if she were blowing it, I won't forget that.

She refuses to let me walk her out of the building when she leaves. Even after I tell her a woman got mugged outside last week. I brushed my teeth immediately after she left because the odor of stale inhaled smoke was all throughout my mouth. It really is like kissing an ashtray. I think I wanna let her go despite how desperately I wanna bone a girl in my new apt. She sends me 8 txt messages during her cab ride home, I only responded to the first two though. And then she tried to call me but I was already asleep.

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You nonsmokers are so intolerant.

So, ever since last last night, I'm giving up nicotine for a period of one week. Last night was VERY rough...and I'm still feeling wacko. I'm actually experiencing headaches from withdrawal ALREADY and last night my veins were like poppin out of my hands...ugh... I really want a cigarette but I'm gunna see how I do for a whole week.

intolerant? dude it was like sucking on a dirty foot.

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If I smoked a stoke, I pop in some gum or something before kissing a girl. Girls just look damn sexy when they smoke.

cold turkey is realllllly tough... its a lot easier to wean yourself off of anything from cigs to drugs to alcohol to soda... biologically its easier, but i wont get into the nitty gritty
but def power to you for going the tough route.. prove to yourself that you can have a ton of self control... go longer than a week... why?.. once you get to about 20 days, you're pretty much set [another little scientific thing that i wont get into... has to do w/ habits and rituals... not addiction specifically]

Yeah i can't stand smoking!

Hey how we all doing?

It is a little silly to say that you will not continue the interaction due to the fact that she smokes. Now do not get me wrong I am not saying to settle but at the same time she is not missing a leg. Smoking is an addiction and can disappear at any time, make your parameters out of concrete items. We all have bad habits do not judge her on them but on who she is that is the only way that you can make a valid decision.

ChowforNow,

the--------------------------------------->Saint

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'Whether or not you agree with his harsh, straight to the point mentality, truth be told, he’s the most active/ dedicated / motivating member on this board. He’s routinely getting newbies and current members out sarging, pushing them into sets, given them suggestions and advice, replying to posts more often then anyone else. (Come out Wednesdays and you’ll see what I mean). Also, I have not once heard him making excuses about not going out and pussying out. If anyone else can show me this, I will automatically promote you to any status that you want on this board. (including admin).

Now .. I (and others) .. have tried a more sugar coated / feel good approach to getting guys to come out. Truth be told, it hasn’t worked anywhere close as well. I'm disappointed that with all the free resources, and the cool guys that we have offering free advice, so few people actually make use of it, go out consistently, and get better with women, instead of dabbling and keyboard jockeying.'

'How did it start?Well, I don't know.I just feel the craving.I see the flesh and it smells fresh.And it's just there for the taking.'

'Looking at my own reflection When suddenly it changes Violently it changes Oh no there is no turning back now You've woken up the demon in me'

'Only see, somehow it always seems that I'm learnin' or something I can never be It dosen't matter to me, 'cause I will always be that pimp I see
in all my fantasies I don't know your fucking name.So what?
Let's.fuck'

'Scrutinize every word, memorize every line
I spit it once, refuel, re energize, and rewind
I give sight to the blind, mind sight through the mind

I think smoking is a big enough reason not to see a girl long term, although not really enough for you not to see it through to the close (for practice at least)...

I can't see myself in an LTR with a smoker since I've quit a while ago, and I know she would pull me back in. But as it was said, don't let that stop you from closing, if that's still an option. You might have missed that window of opportunity there.
I tend to let a girl know not to smoke around me, or before she sees me. I just tell her that I've quit smoking and smelling smoke on her will boost my cravings. I don't want her to quit, but I don't wanna smell it either. See if that works.

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This game is automatic. You give it to 'em one time, they come back like addicts.

Dude, you either want to crush or you dont. There is no inbetween. You know whether or not you do.

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"Out of all the things i've lost, I miss my mind the most."

Apparently I didn't mention this in the first post. This is a girl that works in the same company as me, but in a different department and at different hours. But technically I hooked up with someone I work with and I am "shitting where I eat". I hook up with her Monday night. Tuesday I meet a slew of coworkers in lower Manhattan and a girl I work directly with corners me and says "I hear you're sleeping with someone from work". She doesn't say who it is or who she heard this from. I just deny everything altogether. There's not even an iota of a desire to let it be known I hooked up with this chick so I won't betray myself and let this gossip spread. I whole-heartedly want it squashed. So I deny it from top to bottom. Plus, I didn't sleep with her. We just made out.
The girl who corners me is a 3. She's unattractive, legally blind, and has a highly abrasive personality. To make things worse, when we're out she's drunk. Apparently she's got a crush on me because this rumor she's heard has gotten under her skin. The whole night I'm just chilling out having a great time with my coworkers (i work with people my age who love to party and everyone just about gets along). She sees me talking to some random girl at this karaoke bar and proceeds to throw ice from her drink at the girl I'm speaking with. I prevent the victim from rolling her sleeves up and socking her in the face and I go to talk to my ice-throwing-coworker.

"M, did you throw ice at my friend? Why are you trying to ruin someone's fun?"
"I didn't throw ice. Why are you talking to that hoochie anyway though?"
"I doubt she's a hoochie, but what does it matter to you? we're just chatting?"
"You're probably gonna sleep with her too."
"You still think I slept with someone from work? I wouldn't sleep with anyone from work. You're all my friends."
"You wouldn't sleep with me?"
"No M, you're my friend."
"I'm too ugly for you?"
"No [yes.]"

It was one hell of a night beyond all that shit. Despite all the drama I had a ton of fun. I see that my attitude that night was exactly what I wanted it to be. I was everyone's friend. A congruent unaffected Alpha Male. The other girls out with us were asking me what M's problem was and apologizing for me getting drawn into "girl drama".

This rumor spreading about the smoker chick and me isn't a huge deal. It's creating "buzz" about me. There are many hot women at work I would love to hook up with. The more often my name is on their tongue, the better chance I will have so long as I have plausable deniability when people start to chatter.

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-Murdoc

Love that part.

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"Out of all the things i've lost, I miss my mind the most."

If you quit for yourself, then it shouldn't matter whether she smokes or not man, cause you have a reason to stay quit. If you're just quiting because everyone else says you should, or because you want to give it a shot or something, then don't bother, cause it's not gonna stick. Quiting smoking is very similar to becoming a PUA, you do it for yourself and no one else, because if YOU want it, then you're gonna do it, but if you don't want it, then you're just let AA control you or give up as soon as you hit a sticking point.

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"The 'Brick Walls' are there to allow you to prove how badly you want something!" ~ Randy Pausch

~ Rye

No way man. Even if you use gum you can still taste it. its nasty

And i definatly dont think girls that smoke are sexy. but maybe after sex though..

i dont have a problem kissing a smoker if she has a mint beforehand. ive dated smokers before and ive been able to get all of them to not smoke on the day they see me (or a few hours beforehand). apparently im worth it hows that for egotistical?