Jack, you're arguing against 70+ years and 30+ studies...against scientists.

Not me.

Stop being allergic to science. You're acting foolish.

None of those studies/polls/surveys do they conclude that 70%/75%/80% of women cannot have orgasms by penetration alone. At best, they say difficulties achieving.

Only about 25 percent of women can achieve orgasm through intercourse alone; most need clitoral stimulation as well. According to professor and author Elisabeth Lloyd’s book “The Case of the Female Orgasm,” a comprehensive analysis of 33 studies over the past 80 years reveals that only a quarter of women regularly and reliably experience orgasm from intercourse alone.

Only 25 percent of women are consistently orgasmic during vaginal intercourse.

This bears repeating: Only one-quarter of women reliably experience orgasm during intercourse-no matter how long it lasts, no matter what size the man's penis, and no matter how the woman feels about the man or the relationship.

This statistic comes not from just one study, but from a comprehensive analysis of 33 studies over the past 80 years

You didn't read any of the studies, or the articles.


http://www.onemedical.com/blog/live-well/female-orgasm/

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/al ... -statistic

I often see statistics that indicate 50% of women can't orgasm or 75% can't orgasm from penetration alone. Can you point me to the sources of said statistics and could you explain what exactly "penetration alone" means?

Thanks for your question. Unfortunately, I cannot point you to a scientific source for these statistics because I am not sure where they came from and I don't think they are completely accurate. That said, let’s first address your question about whether there are some women who just can’t seem to reach orgasm at all. Although the exact numbers vary quite a bit across studies, there are indeed some women who report never having climaxed in their entire lives. For example, this number was 10% in Alfred Kinsey’s pioneering research on human sexuality in the 1940s and 50s [1], and 3% in a recent national survey in Sweden [2]. Most other studies I have seen have yielded numbers in between. Thus, the statistic you heard about half of women being anorgasmic (i.e., lacking the ability to orgasm) simply has no basis in reality.

As for your other question about whether a majority of heterosexual women cannot reach orgasm through “penetration alone,” there is probably a bit more truth to that one. Let me first clarify that when we’re talking about “penetration alone,” we are referring to a woman’s ability to climax solely on the basis of penile movements inside the vagina during intercourse without providing any type of direct clitoral stimulation with a hand, vibrator, etc.

Now, as for that 75% statistic, I have seen it on a lot of news and advice websites (see here for an example from ABC News). However, all of these websites cite it as a statement of fact and do not back it up with a scientific source. So, let’s see what the research says. For instance, if we consider the Hite Report from the 1970s (a North American study that sampled approximately 2,000 women) results indicated that among those women who reported having had at least one orgasm before and who indicated being sexually active, 30% reported regularly reaching orgasm during intercourse, 12% rarely reached orgasm, 19% only reached orgasm if their clitoris was simultaneously stimulated, and 29% reported never orgasming during intercourse under any circumstances [3]. In the aforementioned Swedish study, the questions were asked somewhat differently, but researchers found that 55% of the women reported having reached orgasm during intercourse solely from penile movements at least once before [2].

Thus, when you average across these two studies and the others that I have seen, it looks like around half of heterosexual women are at least sometimes orgasmic as a result of penetration alone, whereas the other half either require added clitoral stimulation or other sexual activities in order to climax. So, based on the evidence I’ve seen, the 75% figure that’s frequently thrown around is probably a bit too high.

Fact #2: It’s possible to have an orgasm and not know it.

Not all orgasms involve the classic signs — sweating, rapid breathing, and muscle contractions. They can be much more subtle and mild, producing the sensation of gentle relaxation after arousal. “Many women have bought into the ‘mind-blowing rockets and volcanos’ model learned from romance novels and other unscientific sources,” Queen says. “Some orgasms are toe-curling and even transcendent, but some are gentle blips.”

The point JackZero makes is that these polls are unreliable and do not lead to a specific conclusion.

The only reliable information you can get from these polls is that either these 50-80% women have not met a man who can make them orgasm from intercourse, they do not know what it means to orgasm, or maybe they cannot orgasm.

BTW Arch...from the article in the link you provided that you said I didn't read http://www.onemedical.com/blog/live-well/female-orgasm/
Be honest. If we go with the number that 80% of women SAY that they can't have an orgasm in a poll/survey, if by the article you provided, isn't it possible that they are having them without knowing it? Hell, it could also lead to the fact of why younger women say they can't have an orgasm and it may be because they don't know that they are having them.

Of course that's possible.

But, I'm going to err on the side of what women say/do over 72 years and 30+ peer reviewed studies than "hunches".


My personal experience aligns with the studies as well. About 30-40% can orgasm from just intercourse (no pelvic grinding on clit, not balls slapping clit, etc, just intercourse).

they are peer-reviewed, scientific studies.
Read the articles.

I know we feel the urge to "man-splain" studies based on female sexuality with female participants, but it's bad form.