How do you deal with a bad wingman? To give some context, one of my friends is a terrible wingman. He'll cockblock, AMOG you, depress you, be a total douche, as well as not buy you beer. Yeah yeah you're wondering why this guy's in my social group. He ocasionally has his uses and deep down is a good guy I suppose.

Anyway, he has no concept of teamwork, you can't use him for interesting group conversation in any way, he has strange ideas about women, he'll hit on your ex girlfriend, he'll use very strong direct game on girls you're scoping out before you can get in there, etc. But I'm gonna end up in situations occasionally where he's my only wingman. How do you handle that?

I have the same problem! Sometimes I do really good with him though. But he always tries to AMOG me.

as far as his amoging you thats not that bad have some lines prepared to amog him back take control and amog him out watch abc of attraction amog vid on youtube for some tips.
Pull him up on it if hes really being a douche.

Oh we have pulled him up about it many times. But he's just not psychologically capable of understanding why he is a douche.

He's not going to change, he's been in our social circle for 6 years, and now that we put more thought into these things especially around strategy and tactics, he's going to cause problems.

But like I said deep down he is a good guy and we're not freezing him out, we would have done that a long time ago if that was an option. Instead we just need better ways of working around him. I'm not the only one from my circle who ends up in these situations with him.

How much does he care about you? You know him. If he cares about you enough, he wouldn't wanna lose you, correct? So giving him options. Don't freeze him out, but let him know that he is in danger of losing you if he doesn't stop being such a douche.

Let him know that you are willing to quit hanging out with him if his behavior doesn't change because he's slowing you down in every way possible and you can't let that happen.

Just tell him straight out that you won't put up with this.

Either he'll tone it down, or he will lose you. It will be up to him. I did the same to my asshole-friend. He actually changed and started doing the opposite: Being a good wingman and doing more good than harm.

You should try it.

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The obvious answer is get a new wingman.

Preferably one who wont cockblock you.

very very easy to use a bad wingman. make him go after the hot girls and be awkward. then u swoop in and yell at the girls for dissing him or ignorin him. its like ur using him but in the end u will get all those girls that he cant get stuck to u. act nice and defend ur friend and while doing that neg the shit out of all the girls. ur wingman will be left with pity from the girls while ur left with hickies and numbers from all of them coming off as a nice guy that deffends his friend and has the confidence to admit it.

Agreed. you want someone who will help you, and vice versa.

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You don't need anything that brings your game down...BUT, I try to turn every negative situation to a good one, if he's causing negativity during interaction with girls, that automatically makes you look better than him, but you're yet to prove yourself! Get rid of him, why bother? at least you're still friends

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To be honest the best wingman I've had was also the worst man I've seen when it comes to women. I like him and take him out because he's also a good friend. He never cockblocks or says anything negative towards me or others. He does literally everything wrong in terms of talking to women though, besides opening. He doesn't really care, so he's decent sometimes around bars and such. But other than that literally does everything wrong. It has driven so many women into my arms. It's almost better than having someone that knows what they're doing.

But I also have a very good friend that is a huge cockblock. It sucks, my best advice is to just avoid him when opening. And if you do bring a newish girl around him make sure as all hell you control the situation and blow off anything he might say. Although that's hard a times. I picked up a good looking chick the other night and when I brought her over to my friends after kissing her he managed to make her run off in 10 words.

i used to have a wingman like this..

i teached him alot of the game,,, and the idea's that make it so effective..... he understands some of it.... but,, his own AFC'-ness,, trys to make him cock block me.

this guy,, took the game.... and improved his own game..... but is still wrapped up in his AFC-ness...... so he trys to compete with me for women,, not work with me to wing them.... he messed up both our chances,, becuase,, he cant follow through..... he will never get those girls, he trys to cock block me on,,, his game is not good enough.... messes me up too (competion over girls, make them feel like a prize)

this guy could get lots of girls,,, if he could use the game more,,, and be less of an AFC...... but his AFC-ness,, cuases him to try to out-alpha me "AMOG me"

so i no longer wing with this guy..... and no longer give him advice........

he has always had needy tendencys,,, he looks like an alpha male,, acts like a needy AFC.... esspecialy when he trys to compete with me.... messes up both our game,, so ,,, i dont wing with him any more.


do not wing with this guy any more........ i should have told my old wing... "the fact that your trying to AMOG me, makes you even more of a Beta,, since you look better then me,, but have way less skills... all you will do,, is mess up both up".....but,, i dont even want to give him the advice he needs.... so i just dont wing with him any more.

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the old wing im talking about?.... after i stoped winging with him,, he got a cute girl freind.... they never had sex,,, he payed for all her stuff,, then she dumpd him,, after he ate her out.. LOL...... my old wing, is still paying off the credit card bill,s for all the dinners and foot ball games he took her to.... he never even got laid... classic

did anyone read my fucking post? it shows you how to use these "crappy" wingman as your advantage...

ANYONE CAN BE YOUR WINGMAN!!!!!
AS LONG AS YOUR FLYING THE FUCKING PLANE>>>>>>
IF YOUR A GOOD PILOT THEN THE WINGMAN CANT RUIN YOUR GAME
mayb a lil harder, mayb a lil easier
but in the end its all YOU! stop blaming your fucking wingman... thats mean and pathetic

JUst debrief Him,

Tell him youre target, tell him we are here as a team not so you can get laid and try and make you look liek a retard.

Tell him by ruining youre game, you are making yours look crap aswell.


Id just not use him, one of my friends trys and dodese that to me everytiem hes in front of girls he fails misrably.

My advice ........tell him to get his coat

NOOOO do not do that
he will hate u
just make him oblivious to the fact he is futile
it is how YOU handle the situation
NOT HIM