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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:02 am 
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So, i just started dating this girl i have been friends with for a while. She friend zoned me the first time i asked her out but a year later i asked again and she said yes. Ive been dating her for two weeks and every single time we have hung out i have intiated it. Usually i just ask to come over to her place and hangout. She never asks me to do something with her nor asks me to come over. We also havent had sex yet cause she says she isn't that sexual and is indifferent toward sex. She also told me she was pressured into losing her virginity and that its too early to have sex. What should i do? I want her to want to see me. It seems like we wouldnt see each other if i dont ask to come over. And what should i do about the sex problem? sorry if its long and thanks in advance.


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I want her to want to see me.
Sounds like One-Itis. Go find someone else. You have all of our moral permissions to sleep with 2 girls if it works out that way. It's probably only going to end up being 1 girl, and it won't be her. You can game her, but ultimately it's her magic pussy and she'll have to work through her own issues about how magical it is.


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You know . . . there are such thing as boring people. Just keep that in mind.

Any how, her offering a logical answer tells me that you asked for sex 'logically'. You don't 'ask' for sex. . . you turn her on so that she asks YOU to stick it in.

I sill think this one's a bore. What the hell kind of answer is that? I was pressured 5 years ago so now blah, blah, blah . . . How about you tell her that a gold digger fucked you over long ago so now you can't even spend a penny on a girl. . .

I think I'd rather date an electric dish washer.


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It's not really oneitist yet..

Similar to what kasabi said I don't think your sexually exciting enough. What I've learned with women is they usually the follow the guys lead. Especially if it's they're partner. And that "come over to my house thing gets blown real fast if your not banging her soul to the next dimension Everytime she's comes.

It's a possibility she dated you out of pity, she stuck around as a friend for a year than asked her out again? Come on

I honestly feel she's keeping you as a place holder until a real man sweeps her off her feet " no homo"

Be sexually exciting, drop the logical act. Never ask for sex! Make her beg you for it. While making out, kiss her neck, put your tounge in her ear, rubb her women box with your fingers from outside her pants. Then slowly make your way in. Do different stuff bro. Stick your tounge in her belly button if you have to( I'm serious) grab her ass in public every once in a while. Excite her sexually an she WILL have sex with you. That story she told is bullshit.

Don't text or call her for a week, wen she hits you up, say " hey baby I'm kinda busy at the moment. I'll call you later then don't. When she finally ask you to hang out. Repeat the above instructions... You have to show her a little coldness. Be a little mean. Trust me it works. Don't let your mind talk u or of it

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You know . . . there are such thing as boring people. Just keep that in mind.

Any how, her offering a logical answer tells me that you asked for sex 'logically'. You don't 'ask' for sex. . . you turn her on so that she asks YOU to stick it in.

I sill think this one's a bore. What the hell kind of answer is that? I was pressured 5 years ago so now blah, blah, blah . . . How about you tell her that a gold digger fucked you over long ago so now you can't even spend a penny on a girl. . .

I think I'd rather date an electric dish washer.
Seems like it would do more haha.

I was in a similar situation not long ago. I had to initiate conversation most times, initiate meets etc, did it as an Aplha thing at first, but then nothing was coming from her side. I think as Kasabi said, some people are boring and just expect, not everyone wants to grab a situation by the scruff of it's neck.

I'd say lay low, see if she contacts you in a few days etc and game some other chicks. Your not a fool man, of course, your job is to turn her on as stated but with her remarks, it's like she has something in her mind.

It is not one-itis.

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You know . . . there are such thing as boring people. Just keep that in mind.

Any how, her offering a logical answer tells me that you asked for sex 'logically'. You don't 'ask' for sex. . . you turn her on so that she asks YOU to stick it in.

I sill think this one's a bore. What the hell kind of answer is that? I was pressured 5 years ago so now blah, blah, blah . . . How about you tell her that a gold digger fucked you over long ago so now you can't even spend a penny on a girl. . .

I think I'd rather date an electric dish washer.
Seems like it would do more haha.

I was in a similar situation not long ago. I had to initiate conversation most times, initiate meets etc, did it as an Aplha thing at first, but then nothing was coming from her side. I think as Kasabi said, some people are boring and just expect, not everyone wants to grab a situation by the scruff of it's neck.

I'd say lay low, see if she contacts you in a few days etc and game some other chicks. Your not a fool man, of course, your job is to turn her on as stated but with her remarks, it's like she has something in her mind.

It is not one-itis.
I'm not disagreeing with you chelios; it's that one value I stand by in life wether it's pick up or parasailing is to always take responsibility. There's always something you could of done better. That's the only way to grow an improve. Everyone wants to blame other people for the reason things are the way they are. Blame yourself an only yourself because that's the only person you could ever fully understand. An then improve yourself based upon your own judgments. That way even if something wasn't completely your fault; you still grew an became a better person from it.

If your partner is " boring" you are merely just as boring for your lack of ability to motivate, energize, and encourage them to do more. People are only mirrors of ourselves. If you sit an listen to the way a person talks about others, an that'll tell you everything about the person.

I often will ask a women to tell me things about her friends, mentality wise. This is also qualifying them swell as getting to know them a lot better; because everything she says about her friends is something about her.

It got a little redundant; I just really wanted to stress my point.

Let it sink in

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You know . . . there are such thing as boring people. Just keep that in mind.

Any how, her offering a logical answer tells me that you asked for sex 'logically'. You don't 'ask' for sex. . . you turn her on so that she asks YOU to stick it in.

I sill think this one's a bore. What the hell kind of answer is that? I was pressured 5 years ago so now blah, blah, blah . . . How about you tell her that a gold digger fucked you over long ago so now you can't even spend a penny on a girl. . .

I think I'd rather date an electric dish washer.
Seems like it would do more haha.

I was in a similar situation not long ago. I had to initiate conversation most times, initiate meets etc, did it as an Aplha thing at first, but then nothing was coming from her side. I think as Kasabi said, some people are boring and just expect, not everyone wants to grab a situation by the scruff of it's neck.

I'd say lay low, see if she contacts you in a few days etc and game some other chicks. Your not a fool man, of course, your job is to turn her on as stated but with her remarks, it's like she has something in her mind.

It is not one-itis.
I'm not disagreeing with you chelios; it's that one value I stand by in life wether it's pick up or parasailing is to always take responsibility. There's always something you could of done better. That's the only way to grow an improve. Everyone wants to blame other people for the way things arethe way they are. Blame yourself an only yourself because that's the only person you could ever fully understand. An then improve yourself based upon your own judgments. That way even if something wasn't completely your fault; you still grew an became a better person from it.
Of course Fuze, I do agree with you. We could always go one better, or have acted differently upon a situation, but sometimes we get caught up in the moment, and make that stupid little move we shouldn't have, then we're on the backfoot.

Learning is a process through life. We may not think we are learning, but we are, every day, something new, an old cliche and term used often, but so true.

I've just been in a similar situation, and I think all the time, but sometimes, we just have to accept, things do happen, and if you compromise all the time, and/or cave in to what everyone else wants, you become the doormat. That's why I say, think of number 1. Ourselves first.

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It's not really oneitist yet..

Similar to what kasabi said I don't think your sexually exciting enough. What I've learned with women is they usually the follow the guys lead. Especially if it's they're partner. And that "come over to my house thing gets blown real fast if your not banging her soul to the next dimension Everytime she's comes.

It's a possibility she dated you out of pity, she stuck around as a friend for a year than asked her out again? Come on

I honestly feel she's keeping you as a place holder until a real man sweeps her off her feet " no homo"

Be sexually exciting, drop the logical act. Never ask for sex! Make her beg you for it. While making out, kiss her neck, put your tounge in her ear, rubb her women box with your fingers from outside her pants. Then slowly make your way in. Do differe
nt stuff bro. Stick your tounge in her belly button if you have to( I'm serious) grab her ass in public every once in a while. Excite her sexually an she WILL have sex with you. That story she told is bullshit.



Don't text or call her for a week, wen she hits you up, say " hey baby I'm kinda busy at the moment. I'll call you later then don't. When she finally ask you to hang out. Repeat the above instructions... You have to show her a little coldness. Be a little mean. Trust me it works. Don't let your mind talk u or of it

Peace
I thought about the pity thing but when I Talked to her about us not bieng compatible she didn't like it and said why was I already thinking of breaking up.plus i stayed around after the firt time cause we were friends before i told her and remained so afterward.As for the being sexual part I have been. I kiss her neck, tits and all that I even finger her but she always stops me. The first time she stopped me she said that she just wasn't that sexual and that she has never really liked sex. I think I made the mistake of talking to her about it more than just that time. The next time she told me she has had bad experiences and that she was pressured into losing her virginity. I'm not sure if something really did happen for her to not like sex. What should i do? Keep being sexual and just not talk about why she isn't putting out?


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Read the quote under chelios " never listen to what a women says". They're bullshitters for the most part. No offense to anymore who may read this. I have known of women who are outright cheating on there boyfriends all the time an if they guy gets ready to break up they will put on this big front, cry etc. Her words mean very little. If a women looks at the grounds every she tell you "I love you" what would you think.

I suggest being outright an honest

For example ( use your own words)
Hey look, I like you an all and I do wanna be with you. I just want you to understand that as a man I'm a sexual creature an I want sex. Now if you don't give it to me whats that gonna make me wanna do?"

Now she'll worry if your gonna cheat an begin to put out... Only if she cares.
Now if she says " well okay do what you want" . She wasn't worth your time an the pity thing was true. Confront her on it. Tell her to at least start sucking you dick or something. Be honest with her bro


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Read the quote under chelios " never listen to what a women says". They're bullshitters for the most part. No offense to anymore who may read this. I have known of women who are outright cheating on there boyfriends all the time an if they guy gets ready to break up they will put on this big front, cry etc. Her words mean very little. If a women looks at the grounds every she tell you "I love you" what would you think.

I suggest being outright an honest

For example ( use your own words)
Hey look, I like you an all and I do wanna be with you. I just want you to understand that as a man I'm a sexual creature an I want sex. Now if you don't give it to me whats that gonna make me wanna do?"

Now she'll worry if your gonna cheat an begin to put out... Only if she cares.
Now if she says " well okay do what you want" . She wasn't worth your time an the pity thing was true. Confront her on it. Tell her to at least start sucking you dick or something. Be honest with her bro
Good post and well said Fuze.

Get in, or get out is what I say. Get into her, by telling her what's what, not what you demand, but what you need as a man, that Fuze pointed out.

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I'm not disagreeing with you chelios; it's that one value I stand by in life wether it's pick up or parasailing is to always take responsibility. There's always something you could of done better. That's the only way to grow an improve. Everyone wants to blame other people for the reason things are the way they are. Blame yourself an only yourself because that's the only person you could ever fully understand. An then improve yourself based upon your own judgments. That way even if something wasn't completely your fault; you still grew an became a better person from it.
Yes, but another human being is not a parasail and you're not a psychologist. Go ahead and improve yourself all you want. If you're in the 'training' mood, go get yourself a golden retriever.
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If your partner is " boring" you are merely just as boring for your lack of ability to motivate, energize, and encourage them to do more. People are only mirrors of ourselves. If you sit an listen to the way a person talks about others, an that'll tell you everything about the person.
"Mirror" is probably the wrong word to use here. Sure, we influence one another but I am NOT the person standing in front of me.

Taking responsibility is a good thing. . . but if you blow the whistle a few times and the damn dog doesn't fetch and comes back with, "Woof, woof . . . a few years ago, my former owner burned me with a cigarette and now I associate frisbees with pain and suffering and thus I need to take my time and don't feel like doing anything because blah, blah, blah, blah . . ." - Well, do that dog a favor and just trade it in. Good for you, good for dog, good for humanity.


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2 and a half weeks isn't a lot of time, especially if what she's saying is true (and guys, why should she say such a horrible thing as being INDIFFERENT TOWARDS SEX if it wasn't true ... wanting to wait, having made mistakes, etc. might be bullshit - as in what she thinks in her head, but not the main reason - but a woman won't bullshit herself about not caring about sex, and do you have a reason to think she's lying to you? After all you've known her for a while,so you should be able to estimate somewhat how sexual she is ...)

but the main issue is, she shows too little interest both in sexual and nonsexual activity with you.

so - how often do you contact her? how long do you wait? Could it be you're trying to hard from her perspective, not just to have sex, also wanting her to come over too often?

And hardly anything makes a man more unactrattive than wanting/asking for it too badly ...
The worst thing you can do -especially when she tells you, she's already been pressured once and regrets it - is do any thing she might see as pressuring, and since she's highly concious of that, she'll easily label things as pressuring ...
so that tell "Now if you don't give it to me whats that gonna make me wanna do?" thing is not just asshole-talk, it's bad advice!

(oh and pressuring a girl to give head - from a psychologists perspective very very dumb, do you want her to learn to love it or hate it???)

so play things down and do interesting things without her.

first you want to get her to initiate things, that can be small things, a text, a call, suggesting something fun to do together, next you want her to also initiate at least some of the action sexually, which means you have to take it slow and when she's into something, tease her, don't smother her, phase out of the action when she's liking it, whether it's hot and heavy or it's sweet and cuddly - so that she'll want more/come to you!

also, you might want to get her relaxed cuddling, romantic movie, massage, whatever works, make her feel comfortable and taken care of and then you try to find out about her sexuality ... where/how does she like to be touched most? ` - does she masturbate? has she had orgasms? why doesn't she like sex? does she have fantasies?...
make sure it doesn't seem like you're questioning/ pressuring her, that it's not about wanting to know why she won't do it

it's about care of her and getting to know her (body) better


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Guys . . .

You can always let one girl go. Just let it go . . .

Here's the PUAF armchair doctor game:

1. Condition: She's not fucking me!?!?!
2. Desired CURE: LEGS SPREAD WIDE OPEN for pimple faced wanna-be pua moron kid.
3. Physical Symptoms: She's not fucking me.
4. Her account of issues: (Blah, blah, blah . . .because none of this crap matters to the moron kid.)
5. Diagnosis: The bitch is playing me.
6. Procedure: Emotionally blackmail her into sucking my cock.
7. Method: Tell her to suck my cock and make her feel shitty.

Hey, this is all about pick up. Pick them UP!! Why are you playing doctor?

*Made self edits due to bad choice of words. Kept the list because this is exactly what's going on. There is no good result that can come about from ^this course of action.


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