I've never had anyone deliberately try to make me look like a tool to lower my value until tonight.

At my friend's house party, I was just being social and talking to random people, not even hitting on anyone. I had earlier introduced myself to this HB9 who was sitting with her HB6 friend. Somehow the HB9 was really warm and friendly while the HB6 was cold and bitchy. I left the HB9 after a brief chat, went to talk to some other peeps, then went back to them. But this time there was a guy sitting with them with his arm around the HB6. I can immediately tell that if I try to hit on the HB9 this dude would be a HUGE cock block. So I try to out alpha him. He responds by trying to make it looks like I'm all over the HB6.

The key part of that conversation went something like this.

AMOG: "You have such a crush on her it's so cute."

Me: "That's funny coming from you when you're the one who keeps touching her"

AMOG: "We've been friends for a long time man."

Me: *scrambling for comeback, drawing blanks*

AMOG: "He's so into you."

HB6: ...

AMOG: "You should kiss her man."

Me: "You crazy? We don't even get along."

HB6: "God no."

So at this point I'm pretty much looking like a huge tool in front of my friends and the girls. My confident frame was shattered in less than a minute. This guy was a pro. I wouldn't be surprised if he learned his AMOG tactics from this forum. It'll be hilarious if he came across this thread.

My game was complete garbage after that. I failed shit test after shit test and eventually got one of my coldest rejections ever. The HB9 actually told me to stop talking to her, then got up and sat somewhere else just to put an extra five feet between us. She was actually visibly pissed off, moody, and bitchy about it too. I was definitely fooled by her first impression of being nice. I was amused by how bad that was just as much as I was hurt by the bluntness of that rejection.

How would you guys have handled something like this? I thought the HB9 was into me. She probably was at some point. Until I fucked up my game. I'm just really pissed off at myself right now for getting AMOGed so easily like and looking like a tool in front of my buddies.

how about you don't give a fuck?

be unapologetic.

he says "aww, that cute how you have a crush on her!"

you "I know, right? I'm already picking out flower arrangements for the wedding!"

people will be more on your side with responses like that, cause they realize how stupid the first person was.

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That makes sense. Why didn't I just laugh it off and then ignore the guy? Fuck I guess my frame didn't get shattered in a minute, it got shattered in seconds. How do you get good at keeping your frame? Does it just come with practice? I've NEVER gone from feeling like the confident social guy at the party to feeling like a tool so quickly, and this bugs me.

lol I'm a marine, I had to spend 4 months doing everything I could to not feel like shit every waking second

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Chances are that the HB6 is used to being second best to her hotter friend. Maybe other guys have been hitting on her friend whilst ignoring her all night, hence making her feel a bit shitty. You maybe should have spent more time talking to her. Typically attractive girls are friendlier as their view of the world is much different compared to that of the less attractive ones. Think about it: people are always nice to her, they always talk.
So she, in turn, becomes more friendly, you probably already know this.

Did you speak to the guy at all before this? When you re-opened, did you greet him?
Ouch, how were you expecting to come back from that?

Don't beat yourself up too much though, it sounds like that guy knew what he was doing. I highly expect he has had some PUA training in the past as that "OMG, he is so into you!" and "You should kiss her!" line is something I have used myself (no, it probably wasn't me ;] hahaha!)

I did not greet anyone in particular when I re-entered the set. I kinda gave everyone a 'what's up' look and then sat down. The AMOG was the center of attention. I felt intimidated by that and for some reason felt that I needed to be the center of attention in order to get anywhere with the HB9. That was probably was first mistake. I was definitely the center of attention later, but not in a good way. =p

Although I no longer care about this, the AMOG still intrigues me a great deal. We knew each other from before the party, and I actually did say hi and talk to him for a brief while before this set. I expect shit like this from a stranger, not from a friend of a friend.

The most puzzling thing however, is that he seemed to have tooled me for no reason. After he tooled me he started playing Black Ops in front of us. I left the party about an hour later and he was pretty much being anti-social and playing Black Ops for that entire hour. He definitely was not trying to hook up with the girls because no one trying to get laid would play Black Ops for an hour, even if it's to feign disinterest. Interesting...

Really? I'd say that was a good line if delivered in the right way. If he said it in a serious note then yeah, hard to come back from. But if he said it in a cocky, smiley way whilst making sidewards eye contact with the girl, I'd say it was a good line.

I get the feeling it was probably said in the former, rather than that latter hahaha.

I would avoid the "defensive" mode at all cost. If he says some witty comment and you try to prove him wrong. . . you're making a bad impression. If you instead laugh it off and ignore it - you will come off as much more confident.

Now think of it through the eyes of the hot girl. She and her friend are sitting there, while two guys are making immature comments about themselves in relation to the girls. Awkward? Yep.

No wonder she snapped at last. And the reason she snapped on you and not him is because he's got the upper hand already since he knows the HB6.

He put up a deadly trap and you walked straight into it.

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I feel your pain man. I actually just made a thread earlier today about my friend cramping my style. At least you can conquer a random dude and move on with the night.

I'd just say something funny like the other guy said about flowers and a wedding. The last thing you want is to kill the happy mood because you're getting aggressive with another guy.

I would told him with a big gentle smile on my face.
" You kiss every single girl you've just met ? That's cute playboy, but imo it's a little shallow there "

That's pretty much the thing that sucks the most about going indirect. You have to pretend to not be into a girl for like 20-30 minutes (i.e. lie) and only after then are you "allowed" to give her compliments or tell her she's actually pretty cool.

Why not make sure she knows exactly how hot you think she is as soon as possible? That way if a guy comes up to the girl and says anything, even "so you know he's only trying to fuck you right?" she would be like "yeah, I know."

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Well, I'd have 2 ways to deal with this:

1. Cocky Funny - like others have said, play it cool. When he said that you had a crush on her, come back with, yea she's cute but beauty's commen, I like to know the real person beyond their looks.

"We've been friends for a long time"

Me: "Really? Hi, I'm *Name* cool to meet you dude, how's your night going, please join us here in conversation"

"You should kiss her man!"

Me: "She has to earn it first, I don't even know her, I wanna get to know her before I do anything like that"


2. Like someone else, just go direct, your at a party, it's a social gathering, people generally want to meet other people at parties and you sometimes have to be direct and be more willing to open larger sets and be prepared to be opened yourself. It seems like this was completly unnatural to you and caught you off-guard, don't worry man, we've all been there.

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Alright thanks guys this was really helpful. Next time some douchebag tries this shit on me I'll be ready for him.

Looks like the classic case of a true natural. I have a couple friends like this too. They are over 6' tall with attractive faces. Women approach them so they don't have to try. These friends literally have women telling them at bars/parties "let's have sex," to which they either respond "no thanks" or "uh... fine..."

Sex with hot women with no deeper connection? Nah, he gets that every night. He'd rather play the critically acclaimed psychological thriller game (I would too, if I were in his position). He doesn't FEIGN disinterest in the HB9's and 10's. He really isn't interested at all! I wouldn't be surprised if his AMOG was NOT learned, and perhaps not even intentionally meant to AMOG. It's just part of how he acts.

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